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    Quote Originally Posted by General Urko View Post
    Daniel O'Connel also spent time in Galway city, when on the legal circuit, he stayed above Anthony Ryans' shop, with his window jutting out into Buttermilk Lane. No doubt, he would have been a fluent Irish Speaker.
    He was a native speaker, which makes his hatred of the language all the more shocking.
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    being half-spanish , dev was good at learning irrelevant difficult foreign languages
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit Of Newgrange View Post
    being half-spanish , dev was good at learning irrelevant difficult foreign languages
    Like what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit Of Newgrange View Post
    being half-spanish , dev was good at learning irrelevant difficult foreign languages
    Half Cuban?
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Urko View Post
    Half Cuban?

    Half catalan ....

    - an opponent John Dillon, said that he was a blow in - and like all blow ins he liked to prove how Irish he was by speaking it.

    Dev,

    ...whose ancestors, he once colourfully (and probably inaccurately) said, were “were banging banjos and bartering budgies in the backstreets of Barcelona” while his — Dillon’s — “fought for Ireland down the centuries on the continent of Europe.”


    Pearse was the same, his father was from Birmingham, had to "prove" how jolly awfully gaelic he was. And Charles Burgess became Cathal Brugha, dontcha know old chap, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit Of Newgrange View Post
    being half-spanish, dev . . . . .
    Quote Originally Posted by General Urko View Post
    Half Cuban?
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    Half catalan ....
    “The Man From God Knows Where”, it used to be said of De Valera.

    It was muttered within FG circles in the 30s that his paternity was in fact Jewish. This was at a time when there was something shocking perceived about such a heritage. And this wasn’t just among the support base as part of grumbling resentment against FG been put out of political office. A Jewish connection to De Valera and therefore the tainting of FF was actively encouraged by the leading intellectuals in the Blueshirt Movement. The most noteworthy of these were James Hogan (Professor of History at UCC) and Michael Tierney (Professor of Greek at UCD) but the Blueshirts in the 30’s had lots of support from an academic level; people who were interested in Social Engineering and fearful of an expected socialist revolution in some of the more advanced states in the West.

    I heard from an aule fella one time that De Valera in fact was sired in Ireland by an English captain who paid for his mother’s passage to the US. And that this story was fairly well known in De Valera’s Ireland.

    Either way Mr. Edward De Valeros (as he was registered at birth) had the stigma of questionable parentage in an Ireland where “that sorta thing” was scandalous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordie Northsider View Post
    He was a native speaker, which makes his hatred of the language all the more shocking.
    According to one source (which I cannot remember at the moment) he was technically not a native speaker. The O’Connell home was English-speaking by the time Daniel was born but he was fostered out at a young age, as per the Gaelic tradition in Munster, and was soon fluently bilingual, as were his parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McTell View Post
    Half catalan ....

    - an opponent John Dillon, said that he was a blow in - and like all blow ins he liked to prove how Irish he was by speaking it.

    Dev,

    ...whose ancestors, he once colourfully (and probably inaccurately) said, were “were banging banjos and bartering budgies in the backstreets of Barcelona” while his — Dillon’s — “fought for Ireland down the centuries on the continent of Europe.”


    Pearse was the same, his father was from Birmingham, had to "prove" how jolly awfully gaelic he was. And Charles Burgess became Cathal Brugha, dontcha know old chap, what?
    At least Burgess's family had been yeomen farmers in Carlow for a couple of centuries. His father marrying a Catholic caused a huge rift with his family that was never reconciled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diy01 View Post
    According to one source (which I cannot remember at the moment) he was technically not a native speaker. The O’Connell home was English-speaking by the time Daniel was born but he was fostered out at a young age, as per the Gaelic tradition in Munster, and was soon fluently bilingual, as were his parents.
    Yes indeed, he certainly had native speaker ability. Ríonach uí Ógáin has a great book of folk tales concerning O'Connell ('Rí gan Choróin' in Irish and 'Immortal Dan' in English'). There's a recurring anecdote about him visiting a big house in England and being warned by an Irish serving girl that his drink is poisoned. It all hinges on him being able to understand her warning. It probably never happened but it reflects the fact that most of Munster was strongly Irish speaking in O'Connell's time.

    A Dhónaill Uí Chonaill, an dtuigeann tú Gaeilge?
    - Tuigim go maith í, a chailín as Éirinn
    Tá nimh i do chupán a mharódh na céadta!
    Maith tú, a chailín, is tabharfaidh mé spré duit.

    Daniel O'Connell do you understand Irish?
    - I do indeed, my colleen from Ireland
    There's enough poison in your cup to murder the hundreds.
    - Fair play to you, colleen, and I'll give you a dowry.
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    Was the Proclamation delivered in Irish at the GPO in 1916.?
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