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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    And yet the Turks supposedly tried to come to the rescue of the Irish during the Famine ......
    Oh God don't start that again.

    'Were there ships with grain, yes/no, wheres the bill of lading?

    Down in a tunnel under the Topkapi palace with some others.

    Heres a report in the paper about it.


    That doesn't mean they were donating it.

    That would be on the bill of lading.

    Where..?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    " Turk, Jew or atheist may enter here but not a papist "

    Reputedly inscribed on a plaque above the gates of Bandon.
    An actual fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatire View Post
    Are there ramifications from this short history lesson for today? .
    Not really, except among the intellectually impoverished right wing second-raters such as your good self who spend their time trawling through online history sites to find stuff they imagine can support the self-aggrandizing twaddle of their glorified [email protected]

    But dream on - everyone needs a dream. And few in this world, whether far left, far right, or in the spaces in between, are prepared to admit that their [email protected] is just [email protected] - however obvious it may be to everyone else.
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    Still.

    T'would make a good Panto

    Lepanto

    'Don John of Austria,

    has set his people free'

    Oh no he hasn't!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dearghoul View Post
    Still.

    T'would make a good Panto

    Lepanto

    'Don John of Austria,

    has set his people free'

    Oh no he hasn't!
    I can vouch for the fact that it sounded grand in a 1960s CBS schoolroom - downright heroic, in fact, when we all recited it together. As a basis for adult historical opinion, though, I reckon you'd need something a bit more forensic. Unless of course you're a Volatiric, poltroon-type "researcher" with a pretty blunt axe to not so much grind as persuade others is already keen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsui2 View Post
    I can vouch for the fact that it sounded grand in a 1960s CBS schoolroom - downright heroic, in fact, when we all recited it together. As a basis for adult historical opinion, though, I reckon you'd need something a bit more forensic. Unless of course you're a Volatiric, poltroon-type "researcher" with a pretty blunt axe to not so much grind as persuade others is already keen.
    What you mean the Lutherans didn't invite the Muslims into Sweden to turn off the lights in a gesture of solidarity with other iconoclasts?

    'Lepanto' the Chesterton job is great and has a right old rattle to it, and the baddies are real baddies as well. You can tell who they are straight away.
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    One could also mention the sack of Baltimore in 1631 in which Protestant Dutchmen participated, an Ottoman-Dutch venture. No doubt the raids that devastated the Mediterranean coasts of Catholic Europe for over a century causing the decline of the Catholic South of Europe involved similar mixtures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    And yet the Turks supposedly tried to come to the rescue of the Irish during the Famine ......

    What point are you trying to make, Cruimh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    The fellow who sacked Baltimore was actually a Dutchman(presumably born Protestant) who converted to Islam and became a successful pirate.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janszoon#Early_life
    ... and Baltimore was an English settlement town, most of the inhabitants were Protestant. Not a great example of Turco Protestant anti Catholic enterprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsui2 View Post
    Not really, except among the intellectually impoverished right wing second-raters such as your good self who spend their time trawling through online history sites to find stuff they imagine can support the self-aggrandizing twaddle of their glorified [email protected]

    But dream on - everyone needs a dream. And few in this world, whether far left, far right, or in the spaces in between, are prepared to admit that their [email protected] is just [email protected] - however obvious it may be to everyone else.
    Sad how geriatric lefties flounder around when exposed to new ideas.

    Shame you never finished school. Was the free education not available at that time?
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