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    Quote Originally Posted by McTell View Post
    Answers above... annuities were government guaranteed, but not government "public debt".

    London expected us to take on their guarantee, as it related to land that was now under our control.
    They allowed the govt. of NI to keep the annuities. And they would have allowed the govt. of "southern Ireland" to do likewise had the 1920 Act been implemented in the south.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Surely the biggest deal in Irish history was the with 6 banks for 440,000,000,000.00

    Yes but it didn't cost 440 BN, which everyone knew we didn't have anyway.

    Let's hope the Dept of finance has some people that can do their sums these days....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Well I beg to differ

    We won a partial victory in 1921

    The Tragedy is the British Government would have conceded on the Oath if the Irish Delegation had shown a bit more backbone

    They would not have conceded an Ireland outside of the Commonwealth at that stage


    OK a partial victory, and it would have been a good thing if they said so. Instead, Collins was sold as "the man who won the war", and after the treaty the hard liners unsurprisingly felt that we had signed a very bad deal after winning a war. Cue the civil war after.

    The whole point of not being involved in the Irish convention in 1917-18, not sending MPs/TDs to London, not being involved in the 1920 home rule act (that set up NI), starting a "war" in 1919 (but never declaring it), and sending "envoys" around europe and to versailles - who were all told to get stuffed - was that London was not going to be involved in Ireland ever again.

    Then a truce is agreed in mid-1921, and within the week Dev is in London. He could have been there in late 1918.

    Lloyd George had mentioned dominion rule for the 26 counties to Tim Healy in 1919. It was on his mind.

    If a push was needed, call general strikes and pay no rents. The Dail courts system was completely legit.

    Did I miss something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by McTell View Post
    A fantabulous anniversary of the Irish-Uk financial split in 1925.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...nion-1.3311186


    Signed on this day. If you like round numbers like 100th anniversary, you're out of luck. It's a 92nd on this thread, and if you have a unusual fixation about 92nd anniversaries, then this one's for you.

    Something to do with the border, and us not being able to pay some money, so we agreed that the 6 counties border was the same as it was in 1920, and nice Mr Baldwin said we didn't owe him any money at all, at all, and could buy some sweets on our way home. But we had to pay for all the damage we caused while we were winning the war of independence.

    Then a lot of people in the 6 counties were raging because they wanted to be in the Free State, but they didn't want to move to the Free State, they wanted the Free State to move to them.


    Paper /pdf by Sean Kenny and John FitzGerald, son of Garret the good, grandson of Desmond the probably just as good.


    'Till Debt Do Us Part': Financial Implications of the Divorce of the Irish Free State from the UK, 1922-6

    'Till Debt Do Us Part' - Lund University
    That is the wittiest OP I have read in a long, long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    That is the wittiest OP I have read in a long, long time.

    Oohhhhh no it's not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by McTell View Post
    Oohhhhh no it's not...
    Oohhhh yes it is - (and a few around here could take a lesson about how to spark a discussion and keep a sense of humour).
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    Ooohhh yes it is

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