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    Barney Bunion Barney Bunion is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratio Et Fides View Post
    He was an alcoholic mass murderer. Strange person to deeply admire.
    Perhaps I see some of him in myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    He was an unrepentant slaveowner. Every dark-skinned American should be professionally outraged at his portrait on the $50 dollar bill.
    Then you are contradicting yourself Mr Amaq. You said on the last page that is was modern liberal PC heads who were trying to destroy memorials to apparent 19th Century racists. Yet here you call on blacks to be outraged at President Grant?

    You people need to realise you can't apply modern day standards to old times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    How can someone who denies the Holocaust write something rational about any topic?

    The Holocaust Deniers support the White Supremacists, and the White Supremacists support the Holocaust Deniers. Quite a team.

    Nazi Germany is ideal of the Holocaust Deniers, the Confederate States the ideal of the White Supremacists. Exactly what I wrote in the OP.

    "Jews will not replace us", eh?
    So says, the warmist hoaxer who is unable to see through the deceit of Allied wartime propaganda.

    Also, it was "You will not replace us" that they chanting at Charlottesville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Bunion View Post
    Perhaps I see some of him in myself.


    Then you are contradicting yourself Mr Amaq. You said on the last page that is was modern liberal PC heads who were trying to destroy memorials to apparent 19th Century racists. Yet here you call on blacks to be outraged at President Grant?

    You people need to realise you can't apply modern day standards to old times.
    Not at all. I'm insisting that these libtards act coherently. If Lee is bad man because he fought for slavery(he didn't really) then they must demand that Grant's portrait must be removed because he was an actual slaveowner himself.
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    Sir, this is what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    Every dark-skinned American should be professionally outraged at his portrait on the $50 dollar bill.
    That is as pinko and outrageous as anything owedtojoy has said. I request you delete that post asap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Bunion View Post
    Sir, this is what you said:



    That is as pinko and outrageous and anything owedtojoy has said. I request you delete that post asap.
    Owed's masquerading as a bunion now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    He was an unrepentant slaveowner. Every dark-skinned American should be professionally outraged at his portrait on the $50 dollar bill.
    White supremacists have never forgiven Grant for ruthlessly suppressing the Ku Klux Klan and using the US military to enforce black voting rights during Reconstruction.

    Race traitor, you see. The usual ould shyte.

    Grant's father-in-law did own slaves, but so did Lincoln's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    White supremacists have never forgiven Grant for ruthlessly suppressing the Ku Klux Klan and using the US military to enforce black voting rights during Reconstruction.

    Race traitor, you see. The usual ould shyte.

    Grant's father-in-law did own slaves, but so did Lincoln's.
    Apparently the story of Grant the slave owner circulates regularly on white supremecist sites in the U.S. Its origin is believed to be based on a notice written by Grant in 1859, freeing a slave who he said he owned. Grant and his wife lived with her father in the 1850s and her father was a slave owner so its possible that he gave Grant a slave. Its unlikely that Grant bought a slave as his business venture failed, he was broke and drinking heavily when the civil war began and he rejoined the army. Grant had many well publicised flaws and failures but being a slave owner during the war was not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Grant had many well publicised flaws and failures but being a slave owner during the war was not one of them.
    Wombat could you explain to Owen that one cannot judge historical individuals by modern standards? Its still seems to be eluding him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Apparently the story of Grant the slave owner circulates regularly on white supremecist sites in the U.S. Its origin is believed to be based on a notice written by Grant in 1859, freeing a slave who he said he owned. Grant and his wife lived with her father in the 1850s and her father was a slave owner so its possible that he gave Grant a slave. Its unlikely that Grant bought a slave as his business venture failed, he was broke and drinking heavily when the civil war began and he rejoined the army. Grant had many well publicised flaws and failures but being a slave owner during the war was not one of them.
    Apparently, Grant tried to work for his father-in-law as his Overseer, but was just too nice. He would not whip or coerce his slaves, but treated them as employees. They thought he was a complete eccentric compared to what they were used to, and he had to give it up. I think Julia Grant was given a slave by her father, but Ulysses freed him.

    Incidentally, as I pointed out on the American Presidents thread, Grant's military and Presidential reputation is being revised upward. He is now recognised that the greatest General the Civil war produced. As a President, not only did he defend the rights of the freed slaves as best he could, he appointed a full-blooded Seneca Indian (his friend Ely Parker, who Indian name was Ha-sa-no-an-da) as Commissioner for Indian Affairs.

    Imagine, a 19th Century President who tried to do right by both blacks and Indians!

    As Lincoln was politically a Whig (of the old Henry Clay party), in many ways US Grant was the first Republican President. Of course, there was corruption in his Administration (no 19th century Presidency was free of it) but Grant was not personally corrupt, and dealt strictly with what corruption was unearthed on his watch. He was, however, poorly served by some of his Presidential appointees, some of them former Army underlings.

    Ron Chernow's biography of Grant in on the US best-seller lists, and was one of the Books of 2017 recommended by President Barack Obama.



    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grant-Ron-C...keywords=Grant

    PS and Edit: To Lincoln would be due most of the credit for winning the Civil War, but next to him would have to stand US Grant.
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    Ha the Jews are trying to paint Grant as an anti-semite after he his encounter with people subsequently known as carpetbaggers.
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