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About LinkBacksRead the book. Shipping the food out was unlikely to have made a difference.Originally Posted by joel
Read the book. Shipping the food out was unlikely to have made a difference.
"The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).
Not the landlords, but the traders.
"The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).
Exactly. Shiploads of wheat, cattle, sheep, pigs. All the time the natives were starving the landlords were exporting their produce.No it wasn't. Read: Why Ireland Starved: A Quantitative and Analytical History of the Irish Economy, 1800-1850 (Economic History (Routledge)) by Joel Mokyr.
So why did they take shiploads of food out of Ireland? (40 shiploads in 1847).
Having said that, it can be argued that it had more to do with a laissez faire attitude to economics than a desire to slaughter the natives.
Yes, that is the excuse given - but their are plenty of quotes from the British, which makes plain their real intentions. And you bringing up the excuse is just serving their purpose. Enough of the excuses.
Joel, I have read many, many books on the famine. I have yet to find one book which states (and proves) that the aim of the British during the famine was the total destruction of the Irish nation.
One of the moderators on here really wrecks my head with his/her power mad ego
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"Proves"? - has anyone PROOF of the Holocaust?
Treveleyn (in charge of Famine relief) said that the deaths of the Irish was a good thing and the Irish deserved no better. A senior member of the governent said that their secret aim was the destruction of the Irish. The Timesrejoiced that there would soon be no "Celts by the banks of the Shannon". Thomas Carlisle called for the extermination of the Irish and replacement with the British.
I'd say there is quite a lot of evidence - and more, for those who want to find it.
All this has to come out. Let Britain teach it in schools, the BBC make proper programmes about it.
The famine was a classic case of applied biological warfare, nap-sack sprayers had been invented by then and it's very possible that they were used to introduce infection into certain areas. The consequences of the blight were certainly manipulated in a calculated, self-serving manner by landlords and churchmen alike.
The use of induced famine against undeserable populations was a well used British strategy; used many times in Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
Brits out!
Is that so ? http://www.geocities.com/7life/gen.htmlBS! The British have NEVER claimed that their monarch is directly descended from God!Move on ehh ?The first was over 400 years ago. Time to move on me thinks.
The second was completed as part of the GFA.
It's difficult when you have to deal with a group of people with a self deluded superiority complex who keep harping on about their monarch - who supposedly is directly descended from God. And with many of their representatives on this island firmly stuck in a 1690s time warp, perhaps your "move on" directive should be addressed elsewhere.
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I recently watched rowing champion Matthew Pinsent on the BBC's Genealogy programme "Who do you think you are ?". His family tree traced back to Edward I. From there he followed back along the british royal family tree, tracing his ancestry back to Adam and Eve. But that wasn’t all. ‘At the top of your pedigree,’ he was told by the genealogist , ‘there is God.’
In fact 60% of the British public believed Lizzie Von Saxe-Coberg Goethe was a direct descendent of God at the time of her coronation !
[quote=A guy called Dave]Hi! I'm a member of that particular group you've mentioned, I wasn't aware I harped on about any monarchy? Also, in what way have I shown any sort of superiority complex to you? Please let me know. Thanks.[/quote:zeitozn3]
So you don't sing your National Anthem ?
[quote=Fionn_McCool][quote=Aindriu][quote="Fionn_McCool":23wtr8yg][quote=Aindriu][quote=joel]And what about the slavery and the genocides inflicted on the Irish people? When is that going to be acknowledged and reparations paid. And when is Britain going to stop claiming Ireland?[/quote]
The first was over 400 years ago. Time to move on me thinks.
The second was completed as part of the GFA.[/quote]
Move on ehh ?
It's difficult when you have to deal with a group of people with a self deluded superiority complex who keep harping on about their monarch - who supposedly is directly descended from God. And with many of their representatives on this island firmly stuck in a 1690s time warp, perhaps your "move on" directive should be addressed elsewhere.
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BS! The British have NEVER claimed that their monarch is directly descended from God! [/quote]
Is that so ? [url="http://www.geocities.com/7life/gen.html"]http://www.geocities.com/7life/gen.html[/url]
I recently watched rowing champion Matthew Pinsent on the BBC's Genealogy programme "Who do you think you are ?". His family tree traced back to Edward I. From there he followed back along the british royal family tree, tracing his ancestry back to Adam and Eve. But that wasn’t all. ‘At the top of your pedigree,’ he was told by the genealogist , ‘there is God.’
In fact 60% of the British public believed Lizzie Von Saxe-Coberg Goethe was a direct descendent of God at the time of her coronation !
Anyone with an Irish name can do that too.
"Only by applying the most rigorous standards do we pay writing in Irish the supreme compliment of taking it seriously." - Breandán Ó Doibhlín.
[quote=Fionn_McCool][quote=Aindriu][quote="Fionn_McCool"z6k9dqo][quote=Aindriu][quote=joel]And what about the slavery and the genocides inflicted on the Irish people? When is that going to be acknowledged and reparations paid. And when is Britain going to stop claiming Ireland?[/quote]
The first was over 400 years ago. Time to move on me thinks.
The second was completed as part of the GFA.[/quote]
Move on ehh ?
It's difficult when you have to deal with a group of people with a self deluded superiority complex who keep harping on about their monarch - who supposedly is directly descended from God. And with many of their representatives on this island firmly stuck in a 1690s time warp, perhaps your "move on" directive should be addressed elsewhere.
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BS! The British have NEVER claimed that their monarch is directly descended from God! [/quote]
Is that so ? [url="http://www.geocities.com/7life/gen.html"]http://www.geocities.com/7life/gen.html[/url]
I recently watched rowing champion Matthew Pinsent on the BBC's Genealogy programme "Who do you think you are ?". His family tree traced back to Edward I. From there he followed back along the british royal family tree, tracing his ancestry back to Adam and Eve. But that wasn’t all. ‘At the top of your pedigree,’ he was told by the genealogist , ‘there is God.’
In fact 60% of the British public believed Lizzie Von Saxe-Coberg Goethe was a direct descendent of God at the time of her coronation !
Nice link. Other articles include 'Heaven is real' and a lovely link stating 'How To Get Perfect Royal Blood For Eternity'. It's like they've read my brit mind and put it in a dodgey looking website.
I doubt you'd get 60% of people who actualy believe in god now, let alone 60% who reckon lizzy is descended from God.
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