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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitch 22 View Post
    The actions of the Invincibles ironically may have prolonged direct British rule in Ireland:



    Phoenix Park Murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If Home Rule had succeeded in the 1880s (obviously radical republicans were opposed) it is possible that Parnell and his successors and no doubt people like Collins and De Valera et al later on would have had the leeway to push for an Irish Republic without the violence between 1916-1923.

    History often turns on a coin and there are tantalising what ifs that arise if this assassination had never gone ahead.
    Wouldn't have made any difference. The Brits were determined to cling onto its colonial outpost no matter what. Violence was all they understood. The home rule bill would still have been defeated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpa View Post
    There certainly were Anglo-Irish relations with Parnell as Ireland's chief negotiator
    That would be like saying Leinster- Connacht relations to describe todays political landscape in Ireland. But I get your point in any case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitch 22 View Post
    The actions of the Invincibles ironically may have prolonged direct British rule in Ireland:



    Phoenix Park Murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If Home Rule had succeeded in the 1880s (obviously radical republicans were opposed) it is possible that Parnell and his successors and no doubt people like Collins and De Valera et al later on would have had the leeway to push for an Irish Republic without the violence between 1916-1923.

    History often turns on a coin and there are tantalising what ifs that arise if this assassination had never gone ahead.
    I would definitely agree that this was certainly one of the major turning points in Irish history during the Parnell years, perhaps in the case of the Home Rule bills the major turning point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gal Gréine View Post
    Such a horrible term 'the Phoenix Park Murders'. It should be called 'the Great Phoenix Park Ambush'. The lads did terrific work that night. Is there any monument for them in Dublin?
    Yes, 5 men with knives hacking two defenceless men to death is indeed "terrific work". If Cavendish hadn't been "in the wrong place at the wrong time" it could have been even more"terrific", with 5 against 1!

    Presumably you're a huge fan of the work of that other bunch of heroes, the Shankill Butchers, think of all the "terrific work" they did after all?
    Professional courtesy, mutual respect and all that.
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    It's funny how the killing of two aristocrats caused so much outrage and is still talked about now when there were hundreds, thousands of ordinary people killed since then who are all but forgotten about. A good job nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtharper View Post
    Yes, 5 men with knives hacking two defenceless men to death is indeed "terrific work". If Cavendish hadn't been "in the wrong place at the wrong time" it could have been even more"terrific", with 5 against 1!

    Presumably you're a huge fan of the work of that other bunch of heroes, the Shankill Butchers, think of all the "terrific work" they did after all?
    Professional courtesy, mutual respect and all that.
    The victims of the SBs were innocent men

    Cavendish and Burke were senior members of British rule in Ireland and were not in power to serve Ireland's interests but Britain

    While brutal they were political assassinations
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtharper View Post
    Yes, 5 men with knives hacking two defenceless men to death is indeed "terrific work". If Cavendish hadn't been "in the wrong place at the wrong time" it could have been even more"terrific", with 5 against 1!

    Presumably you're a huge fan of the work of that other bunch of heroes, the Shankill Butchers, think of all the "terrific work" they did after all?
    Professional courtesy, mutual respect and all that.
    When I think of all the morally reprehensible murdering bloodlust you have glorified on this site this really takes the biscuit. Jesus Christ man take a look at yourself you excuse for a human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitch 22 View Post
    The actions of the Invincibles ironically may have prolonged direct British rule in Ireland:



    Phoenix Park Murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If Home Rule had succeeded in the 1880s (obviously radical republicans were opposed) it is possible that Parnell and his successors and no doubt people like Collins and De Valera et al later on would have had the leeway to push for an Irish Republic without the violence between 1916-1923.

    History often turns on a coin and there are tantalising what ifs that arise if this assassination had never gone ahead.
    Meh.

    Home Rule had no chance until reform of the UK House of Lords in 1911 over a Finance Bill.

    Jesus Christ himself could have been a supporter and it still would not have been passed.


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    About time the main thoroughfare was named after the Invincibles, rather than after Lord Chesterfield, the gob************************e who thought that "Fionn Uisce" meant Phoenix and erected that ridiculous bird monument thingy.


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    Just bumping this thread for the day that is in it...
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