Was the Great Irish Famine an Act of Genocide?

[Cruimh]

Often the victim identifies with the victimizer. In your case you want to be British but on some level you understand they will never accept you, this causes you to lash out at the real victims.

Maybe that gibberish makes sense to you. The relevance to the penal laws is well hidden.

[edifice.]

Maybe that gibberish makes sense to you. The relevance to the penal laws is well hidden.

'As British as Finchley'....................now that's gibberish.

[parentheses]

Is it? I thought it had been demonstrated that Ireland was a net food importer during the Famine,

Has it actually been demonstrated that Ireland was a net importer of food during the famine?

[ruserious]

Has it actually been demonstrated that Ireland was a net importer of food during the famine?

According to some guy in a book apparantly...
But what they don't say is if all these 'imports' replaced the exports from the people.

[parentheses]

We all know that blight created a potato shortage between 1845-1850.
But it is now in common agreement that foreign policy of the UK aggrevated the hunger due to the export policies.
At least 1million people died and the UK was slow to set up relief houses due to the policy on the 'feckless'.
So was the famine Genocide?

New Jersey thinks so: H-Net Discussion Networks - Fwd: Irish Famine Curriculum Approved in New Jersey

So where does the forum lay?

You beat me to the punch by starting this thread. Currently I have begun reading on the famine.

I don't know if there is much point asking whether it was genocide. However it is fair to say IMO that practically any other government in Europe would have handled the crisis better than did the British.

[parentheses]

The Famine of 1740-41 was even more severe, and it has been suggested that even more people died. Other shortages occured 1800-1801, 1816-1819, 1830-31. Shortages in Britain and Europe at around these times led to agrarian disturbances in England and revolts in Europe.
Source.
Ó Gráda, The Great Irish Famine

David Dickson, The Gap in Famines: a useful myth

Previous famines were dealt with by banning food exports, banning distillation of grain into alcohol and other measures none of which the British allowed in 1845.

That's why there is such controversy about the great famine. The Irish parliament dealt very successfully with a famine in the 1780s. Which is probably why you don't hear about that one.

[Dylan2010]

It was a fungus problem turned into a famine due to the fall out of the price fixing during the corn laws period. Also given that the work shemes had an "Arbeit Macht Frei" element to them, one can see it as another example of run the other way if someone from the government says they are here to help you.

[Cruimh]

'As British as Finchley'....................now that's gibberish.

What relevance has that to the discussion ?

[hedzog]

What relevance has that to the discussion ?

same relevance as a unionist bigot like you i suppose

[Dylan2010]

That's why there is such controversy about the great famine. The Irish parliament dealt very successfully with a famine in the 1780s. Which is probably why you don't hear about that one.

the economic situation was very different in the 1840's. you had distorded land use created during the land price bubble before the famine. Lucky I guess the Irish learned from this and made sure a land price bubble never happened again...oh wait