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    Elite clueless and wrong disturbingly often

    Some examples of the elites being misguided and wrong compared to the plebs, probably not for the last time either

    Derb, Sr. was born in 1899 and was compulsorily retired from his job as a furniture-company repo man at age 65. That point in time—the mid-1960s—was one of great changes, in Britain as much as in the USA. Dad, who was of a reactionary temperament, disapproved of all such “great changes.”

    Two things he especially frowned on were Britain’s entry into what was then called the European Common Market and mass immigration into Britain from the Caribbean and South Asia. From his retirement through to the late 1970s, dad occupied himself with writing angry letters to newspapers and politicians urging opposition to both things.

    Dad wasn’t an educated man. His spelling was erratic and he had no prose skills. The recipients of his angry letters probably got hundreds like them and binned them on the handwriting alone. No newspaper ever published one of dad’s letters.

    Not that it would have helped. die had already been cast. All of British society’s important power centers agreed that union with Europe would be a jolly good thing and that opening the country to floods of Jamaicans and Pakistanis would be culturally and economically invigorating.

    Both things were disastrous. The European project yoked Britain to a mercantilist bureaucracy tasked with “harmonizing” countries that had spent centuries developing widely differing approaches to public affairs. Mass immigration frontally assaulted Britain’s tolerant insularity, turned sleepy old working-class neighborhoods into hotbeds of crime, and introduced an aggressively hostile religion into one of the world’s least-religious nations.

    The folly of all that is now obvious. The curious thing is that cranky, semi-literate old dad, firing off his misspelled letters to the local rag, was right on those issues, while all the credentialed panjandrums of politics, academia, business, and the media were wrong. For all his lack of education, dad was no fool.

    I recall Lord Melbourne’s observation:

    What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.....

    Not that our rulers and legislators are all stupid (though some of them undoubtedly are). It’s that I don’t think any of them is more likely to be right on any specific matter of governance than the average retired repo man composing ill-written Letters to the Editor in his back parlor. This has probably always been the case. Lord Melbourne, after all, was speaking in 1830.

    A nation of some tens of millions of people is a mighty complicated thing. The individual human brain, which evolved to assist the survival of its host organism in a hunting-gathering band of a few dozen, is not equipped to understand human affairs on the tens-of-millions scale. If you are seriously well-read on one narrow aspect of public policy, it is dismaying to try to engage a politician in conversation about that topic—even a politician that you admire. All you get is a handful of vapid slogans. International commerce? “Free trade, but fair trade!” Education? “Improve the schools!” Immigration? “Guest worker program!” I’ve mixed with politicians a fair amount. Let me tell you: They don’t have much of a clue...

    The smart move for a voter, therefore, is to support the candidate who promises the least government, whatever reservations one might have with that candidate’s style, associations, age, or tailoring, even if the candidate is a cranky geezer who looks like he spends his free time writing angry, ungrammatical Letters to the Editor.

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    Wtf are you on about?

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    Both examples of 'wrongness' are pretty debatable to say the least.

    A better example is the Iraq war and wmd. The 'elite' was convinced they existed, so convinced infact, that they didn't even have a plan b to fake them.

    Ordinary people, by the million, doubted the whole story, despite a massive propaganda effort by the newspapers.
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    If the Internet has achieved one thing that is good it is to allow us to exchange information in a relatively unfettered manner and to allow us to discuss our leaders en mass regularly without an outside rally.
    The second has allowed us to acknowledge that the entire world is badly run, that those on top have no actual qualification to be there beyond ruthlessness, birth, unfounded and often irrational self confidence and the ineptitude of the voting public.
    Few if any public figures are worthy of respect, almost all, including so-called economic experts, are charlatans.

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    Ireland's establishment has a pretty amazing record. Every decade, the sensible, respectable consensus decides on something that is completely bonkers.

    1920s: One of the key pillars of public policy is the restoration of the Irish language through compulsion
    1930s: The Economic War. Nuts.
    1940s: Absolute neutrality towards Nazi Germany beyond the liberation of concentration camps and right up to the death of Hitler. No Marshall Plan for Ireland.
    1950s: Catholic Church allowed to decide huge areas of public policy; industrial development intentionally retarded
    1960s: Southern establishment keeps its distance as institutional sectarianism causes Northern Ireland to bubble over
    1970s: Institutional concealment of child abuse; state complicit. Contraception still illegal.
    1980s: Fiscal imbecility leads to 1950s levels of emigration. IMF at the door.
    1990s: Despite the DIRT, beef and other scandals, very, very limited reform of the institutions of state or the civil service. Department of Finance remains stuffed with unqualified generalists. Regulatory capture by banks. This will not end well but sure isn't everything grand?
    2000s: Ireland's real boom turns and is twisted into a property bubble, one of the biggest in world history.
    2010s: Pig-headed insistence that the state can and should shoulder all liabilities. Necessary austerity becomes, in practice, the protection of politically-favoured interests by all parties holding power. TINA.

    Never underestimate the ability of well-bred, serious and sensible Irishmen and women to choose the utterly wrong option simply because it is presented as the well-bred, serious and sensible option at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    Wtf are you on about?
    So Lord Melbourne was right then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero View Post
    Ireland's establishment has a pretty amazing record. Every decade, the sensible, respectable consensus decides on something that is completely bonkers.

    1920s: One of the key pillars of public policy is the restoration of the Irish language through compulsion
    1930s: The Economic War. Nuts.
    1940s: Absolute neutrality towards Nazi Germany beyond the liberation of concentration camps and right up to the death of Hitler. No Marshall Plan for Ireland.
    1950s: Catholic Church allowed to decide huge areas of public policy; industrial development intentionally retarded
    1960s: Southern establishment keeps its distance as institutional sectarianism causes Northern Ireland to bubble over
    1970s: Institutional concealment of child abuse; state complicit. Contraception still illegal.
    1980s: Fiscal imbecility leads to 1950s levels of emigration. IMF at the door.
    1990s: Despite the DIRT, beef and other scandals, very, very limited reform of the institutions of state or the civil service. Department of Finance remains stuffed with unqualified generalists. Regulatory capture by banks. This will not end well but sure isn't everything grand?
    2000s: Ireland's real boom turns and is twisted into a property bubble, one of the biggest in world history.
    2010s: Pig-headed insistence that the state can and should shoulder all liabilities. Necessary austerity becomes, in practice, the protection of politically-favoured interests by all parties holding power. TINA.

    Never underestimate the ability of well-bred, serious and sensible Irishmen and women to choose the utterly wrong option simply because it is presented as the well-bred, serious and sensible option at the time.
    A depressing but true catalogue of disastrous positions adopted and decisions made by the Irish political elite. However for the most part they reflected the wishes of the people who elected them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero View Post
    1940s: Absolute neutrality towards Nazi Germany beyond the liberation of concentration camps and right up to the death of Hitler. No Marshall Plan for Ireland.
    Except we did get Marshall plan aid. We got 133m USD - which on a per capita basis was more than twice what Germany got. (this was back when 133 million dollars was a lot of money)

    I wonder what we did with the money...
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    You get the government you voted for. Suck it up.

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    You would have to look up the archives of "The Truth in the News" if they haven't been been burnt or shredded.
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