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    bob3367 bob3367 is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishTom View Post
    In future you should proof read what you wrote before posting, I'm sick of guessing what you are trying to say.
    Ireland did not consider itself part of any commonwealth it was merely a formality, if you believe the Irish government at that time felt any allegiance to the commonwealth or the UK then you need serious mental help.

    Lets suppose Churchill was an Irish Nationalist why dont we? Its just as plausible as what you are proposing.
    As said by others we sent fire engines to Belfast, we sold food to the UK during that period also, so we did in fact support the British side of the war.

    No to mention the estimated 100,000 that fought, on the Allied side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    Yes I see your point, not very enlightened reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3367 View Post
    As said by others we sent fire engines to Belfast, we sold food to the UK during that period also, so we did in fact support the British side of the war.

    No to mention the estimated 100,000 that fought, on the Allied side.
    Selling food to a country does NOT imply support, thats just sensible economic policy.
    Sending fire engines is just charity, considering we Irish people consider Belfast part of Ireland and almost all the members of the Dail at that time had some involvement with Republicanism at some time in their life it is not surprising we sent fire engines to ensure the safety of our brethren, articles 2 and 3 of the constitution were in full force at that time.

    Are you saying 100,000 Irish men fought in WW2? if so where did you get these figures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishTom View Post
    Selling food to a country does NOT imply support, thats just sensible economic policy.
    Sending fire engines is just charity, considering we Irish people consider Belfast part of Ireland and almost all the members of the Dail at that time had some involvement with Republicanism at some time in their life it is not surprising we sent fire engines to ensure the safety of our brethren, articles 2 and f3 of the constitution were in full force at that time.

    Are you saying 100,000 Irish men fought in WW2? if so where did you get these figures?
    How could the Constitution be in full force, we didn't become a republic until 1949, and the war happened between 1939 and 1945.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edifice. View Post
    Notwithstanding the Blueshirt connection the irony of this myopia would only confirm that if you were in Germany during Hitler's rise you'd be a most ardent cohort.
    I am sure the irony is unintended, but when it came to the crunch, the people who stood shoulder to shoulder with Hitler, and would have sold out their country to Nazism given half a chance, were the "Bold IRA".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    He's a Nazi supporter who hangs out on Stormfront - does that answer your question?
    He is also one of IT's groupies (judging by likes given).
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Funny, the three-time German bombing of Belfast (900 dead), like the sinking of the RMS Leinster in 1918 (500 dead) by a U-boat, have been all but elided from nationalist history.

    De Valera, though he sent fire engines north, made not a peep of protest to the Germans over the bombing of an Irish city, and the resulting civilian deaths. He got more worked up over the stationing of US troops in the North than he did over Nazi aggression.

    No one has yet proved that the Germans would have bombed Ireland into the stone age if Ireland joined the Allies after 1942. If the Germans could not bomb the British, or even the Maltese, into the stone age, I think the Irish would have been just fine.

    Our major value to the Allies was our ports and as an aircraft carrier for Atlantic patrols.

    I do not think the ten or twenty thousand troops we could have supplied would have made much difference in the grand scheme of things. Since we had no modern equipment like bazookas, radios, jeeps, trucks and probably mortars and machine guns, Irish soldiers would have to be re-trained nearly from scratch to fight a modern war, starting with the officers.

    Ireland probably did the best for Britain by sending over men and women to work in the war industries.

    De Valera, though he sent fire engines north, made not a peep of protest to the Germans over the bombing of an Irish city, and the resulting civilian deaths.

    Completely untrue. De Valera made a formal protest to Berlin about the bombing, and there is reason to believe the Germans took his protest seriously.

    He followed this up with a speech in Castlebar, in which he said:

    "In the past, and probably in the present, too, a number of them did not see eye to eye with us politically, but they are our people – we are one and the same people – and their sorrows in the present instance are also our sorrows; and I want to say to them that any help we can give to them in the present time we will give to them whole-heartedly, believing that were the circumstances reversed they would also give us their help whole-heartedly"
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    I am sure the irony is unintended, but when it came to the crunch, the people who stood shoulder to shoulder with Hitler, and would have sold out their country to Nazism given half a chance, were the "Bold IRA".
    That's like saying Churchill was a communist because he formed a pact with Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3367 View Post
    How could the Constitution be in full force, we didn't become a republic until 1949, and the war happened between 1939 and 1945.
    The constitution was introduced by De Velera in 1937 Bob.
    Any chance you can stop trying to dodge and respond to what I wrote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifor Bach View Post
    He is also one of IT's groupies (judging by likes given).
    I dont have groupies, stop trying to cast negative connotations about people just because your debating skills are pathetic.
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