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    And it didn't take too long before the rabid anti-Semites crawled out of the woodwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    So if Iran threatens his beloved Israel, do we expect the Defence Minister to get Ireland involved to help save the vulnerable jews?
    Look at the OP, and stop acting the langer, please.
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    Mathematics, dear boy. Ireland had a population of upwards of 8-9million people less than one hundred years before World War II. As it is an estimated quarter of a million were lost in WWI and WWII even though we were neutral for the latter.

    If you will look at the population even now we are barely half of that and still recovering from the effects of both famine and war. Any Irishman stupid enough to launch conscription into World War Two deserved to be shot out of hand for such stupidity.

    We had some eight hundred years of fighting other people's wars whether it be in the British forces at Waterloo or in the battles at Trafalgar, the Nile and so on.

    And precious little thanks for it. Were we supposed to wipe our nation out altogether in other people's wars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Absolutly not. Too often, the Minister has come out in support of Israel. Does that break neutrality?
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    It seems that Alan Shatter is not speaking as an Irishman.

    I suppose that the stupid English and moronic American governments expect us to join in on their side if they succeed in starting World War Three and our Freestate government will all agog to do their bidding.

    We should be neutral so we do not endorse these crimes against humanity that the beltway morons and their European lapdogs are plotting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    How anyone could be "neutral" towards Nazism is beyond me.
    The same way today we are neutral today towards, Israeli Colonialism, Islamic Monarchism, Chi & Korean-Communism, US-Hegemony and general Despotism in the third world.

    Funnily enough we are not neutral towards Iran however - as we are now, or will be shortly following the EUs blockade of Irans Oil.

    Our neighbours in Northern Ireland were allies of a mass murdering lunatic throughout the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    How anyone could be "neutral" towards Nazism is beyond me.
    well the official stance was neutral but the reality was we interred germans in the curragh and we provided asylum for a number of Jewish refugees - special protection for the jewish community was provided in the original constitution.
    Could we have done more? Sure!
    Was there a public awareness of what was happening?
    No
    so politicians are morally bankrupt at the best of times and there were no votes in the "saving jews" market.

    Neutrality is only possible in a world with Nazism in it - there is no point in being Neutral in a world of bunny rabbits.

    I don't agree with Neutrality by the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooch View Post

    I agree with him 100%, Dev offering his sympathies for the death of Hitler was an absolute disgrace.
    It was certainly a colossal blunder. But it didn't reveal any hidden pro-Nazi inclinations on Dev's part. I tend to think that he did it out of his almost autistic sense of what was diplomatically proper and correct.

    De Valera was honoured by Israel after the War for his friendly attitude towards the Jewish community in Ireland before the war, at a time when few countries in Europe were so hospitable. He was no anti-Semite
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    It seems that Alan Shatter is not speaking as an Irishman.

    I suppose that the stupid English and moronic American governments expect us to join in on their side if they succeed in starting World War Three and our Freestate government will all agog to do their bidding.

    We should be neutral so we do not endorse these crimes against humanity that the beltway morons and their European lapdogs are plotting.
    Are you perhaps abusing some illegal substance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rash mulligan View Post
    What about the F.A.I. giving the Germans a friendly right after these atrocities where revealed.

    The Germans wore a green away jersey as a gesture of thanks including the World Cup Final in 1986.

    Has the F.A.I. ever made ammendes for this ?
    The WEST Germans - anyway can we not sever the people of a country from full accountability for the actions of the administration in charge? or banks?
    Fritz McDeutch was not responsible - AdolfHitler, Goebbels, Goring etc was
    Sean Irelandberg is not responsible - Fitzpatrick, Fingleton, Ahern, Cowen, Kenny are.
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