The turning point of World War II

[Argentarius]

The turning point was the moment Russia started producing tanks, weapons etc. It's extremely hard to defeat a massive communist nation that can devote every single one of it's resources to war. If Germany had won Stalingrad they would've lost the war anyway, there were huge Russian armies waiting for them. You could also argue that the supplies America gave the Russians turned the tide against the Germans. I think Moscow wasn't really a turning point for the Germans, because the city was pretty much impossible to capture with the resources they went in with. Anyway, the point is, Russia just weren't going to lose. So when they attacked Russia, that was when it turned to the allies.

[J.V.STALIN]

Like I'm going to take lessons about historical literacy from someone called J V Stalin?Anyone for the unvarnished and unbiased truth?-I dont think so.I saw that quote repeated on an excellent, Russian made ,documentary called Soviet Storm quite recently and that was the exact context that was given for the quote. As for what Stalin was like
When the revolution was in progress Stalin was working on an underground newsletter-suddenly the place was raided and they were all arrested-except good ol Josef-he was out having a smoke. The leaders of the group eliminated ,he was appointed-his first promotion-cretin
When the non-aggression pact was concluded and Poland secretly divided-Stalin decided to eliminate 22,000 Polish officers at Katyn forest partly to remove any potential leadership for Poles but also as a revenge for the fact that the Poles were prominently against the Communist revolution 25 years before-cretin
In the mid 30's Russia had the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world(Polykarpov).To this day no one knows why Stalin 'took against' the designers and had them all sent to Siberia or killed-the best they can do is speculate that as he was terrified of flying himself he was jealous of these men or some such thing-cretin
Two months after the invasion of Poland Stalin decided he'd quite like to rule Finland which had once been a colony of Russia.For once he failed to acheive his evil way and the Finns gave the purged Russian army a severe bloody nose.They had very well trained ski-troops and were very determined.In aerial combat ,despite not having the best models,the Finns had extraorinary kill ratios against the Russian air force who it is said were afraid to deviate from Stalins excessively rigid instructions.-cretin
There are varying estimates as to the numbers killed in the the great terror in the 30's but it appears the numbers rivalled those killed in the war that was to come.Stalins minions had quotas to reach each day at the height of it.-cretin
Towards the end of the war as the Soviets 'liberated' Poland the Polish resistance went into open revolt in Warsaw.Although they were only just outside the city at that stage the Soviets were ordered not to enter Warsaw.The Germans were able to bring in heavy artillery pieces and wipe out the galant Polish rebels.Apparently Stalin wanted rid of these people for the same reasons as the with the Katyn victims.-cretin
As Germany collapsed at the end of the war POWs from Soviet ethnic minorities,who had fought for the Nazis, fell into the hands of the western allies.Stalin wanted them repatriated so that they would be executed.The allies were reluctant so Stalin started moving allied POWs in east Germany to Russia to be used as bargaining chips against the west.Perhaps 50,000 western troops never came home as a result.The infamous Lienze incident where the British repatriated 3000 Cossacks to Russia was in response to this evil blackmail by the cretinous Stalin
You may be right about one thing -he might have been intelligent in a low-down ,sneaky,underhand and malevolent sort of way

Excuse me, but what does that have to do with anything? Did i ever once condone or deny any of Stalin's crimes? no i didnt so stop being so pigheaded you idiot.
the point I was making, and the point that pretty much every historian has been making since the archives were opened in 1992 is that stalin was undoubtely highly intelligent. He didnt brute force his way to the top, he employed masterful political thinking and manipulation of others.
And as for my username, its just a name dumbass. And yes, yes you WILL take History lessons from someone called J.V.STALIN because you clearly need them.

[blinding]

When Hitler turned to the East.

Don't fook with the Russians particularly in the East.

That Hitler guy really was a buffoon. It never ceases to amaze me how far some buffoons will get with bluster and Bull****.

[Kommunist]

Excuse me, but what does that have to do with anything? Did i ever once condone or deny any of Stalin's crimes? no i didnt so stop being so pigheaded you idiot.
the point I was making, and the point that pretty much every historian has been making since the archives were opened in 1992 is that stalin was undoubtely highly intelligent. He didnt brute force his way to the top, he employed masterful political thinking and manipulation of others.
And as for my username, its just a name dumbass. And yes, yes you WILL take History lessons from someone called J.V.STALIN because you clearly need them.

A name doesn't make somebody's historical facts incorrect, and as far as I'm concerned both J.V.V Stalin and I have shown less bias towards the posts we've made, recognizing the efforts where deemed necessary, whereas some fools actually seriously considered Dunkirk a turning in WW2, which is just a huge insult to the entire Patriotic War.

[J.V.STALIN]

I have a Phd and have written books so do not even attempt to condescend to me you onanistic little adolescent with an infatuation with totalitarianism.

Hope that helps

You are so full of sh1t. If this mythical Ph.d Exists, which i emphatically doubt, I would like to know the Following:
Title of Thesis
Wordcount
Duration
Institution
Name of supervisor(s)
Grade

Please enlighten me, i could do with another laugh at you.

[Kommunist]

You are so full of sh1t. If this mythical Ph.d Exists, which i emphatically doubt, I would like to know the Following:
Title of Thesis
Wordcount
Duration
Institution
Name of supervisor(s)
Grade

Please enlighten me, i could do with another laugh at you.

Oh and Seanie Lemass, don't forget the names of those books you've written! I bet they are on how you've predicted the economic recession!

[Nebuchadnezzar]

A name doesn't make somebody's historical facts incorrect, and as far as I'm concerned both J.V.V Stalin and I have shown less bias towards the posts we've made, recognizing the efforts where deemed necessary, whereas some fools actually seriously considered Dunkirk a turning in WW2, which is just a huge insult to the entire Patriotic War.

Excuse me - fool speaking here - I had no intention of insulting the "Patriotic War". However the bastard partnership between the democracies and the USSR is what defeated the fascists. If the UK had been knocked out of the war in 1940 the USSR would probably have been defeated in 1942 - the difference in scale between land battles East/West is irrelevant. The size of the Soviet land forces dwarfed those of the West but Western industrial mussle dwarfed that of the East.

[Kommunist]

Excuse me - fool speaking here - I had no intention of insulting the "Patriotic War". However the bastard partnership between the democracies and the USSR is what defeated the facsists. If the UK had been knocked out of the war in 1940 the USSR would probably have been defeated in 1942 - the difference in scale between land battles East/West is irrelevant. The size of the Soviet land forces dwarfed those of the West but Western industrial mussle dwarfed that of the East.

USSR didn't emerge as a superpower because it was weak, but naturally because it was strong. The Soviet Union could have destroyed the German Reich alone, albet it would have taken longer. They pretty much destroyed the huge majority of the German Army. But unfortunately both my and your replies are speculation so writing a detailed answer is sort of a waste of time. Might as well relish in the reality of Hitlers fall rather than contest who suffered more and who contributed more.

[J.V.STALIN]

Excuse me - fool speaking here - I had no intention of insulting the "Patriotic War". However the bastard partnership between the democracies and the USSR is what defeated the facsists. If the UK had been knocked out of the war in 1940 the USSR would probably have been defeated in 1942 - the difference in scale between land battles East/West is irrelevant. The size of the Soviet land forces dwarfed those of the West but Western industrial mussle dwarfed that of the East.

Western Industrial power dwarfed that of the USSR at the beginning of the war. However, by 1945, they were about equal.

I disagree with the statement that the USSR would have lost by '42 if the UK had been knocked out. The military strength of the USSR was actually really starting to come into play by 42, and some big defeats, they were learning how to effectivly combat the Germans, while bringing a huge amount of industrial muscle to the table.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Western Industrial power dwarfed that of the USSR at the beginning of the war. However, by 1945, they were about equal.

Really? Can you back that up?

My understanding is that the american economy dwarfed all others -

GDP 1941/44 in $billion(1990 values).

Germany - 441/466

UK - 344/346

USSR - 359/362

USA - 1094/1499

Source: : Harrison, Mark, "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison".

Weapon production - 1941/43 in $billion(1963 values)

Germany - 6.0/13.8

UK - 6.5/11.1

USSR - 8.5/13.9

USA - 4.5/37.5

Source: R.Wagenfuehr, "Die deutsche Industrie im Kriege 1939-1945".

Either yourself or the other fellah have dismissed the contribution made to the Soviet war effort made by the Western Allies but it seems that neither comrades Khrushchev, Stalin or Zhukov would have agreed with you -

Khrushchev -

Several times I heard Stalin acknowledge(Lend-Lease) within the small circle of people around him. He said .... if we had had to deal with Germany one-to-one we would not have been able to cope because we lost so much of our industry

Zhukov said in 1963 that without Western aid the USSR...

could not have continued the war

The Cold War is long over - it is time to acknowledge the painful truth of Soviet reliance on Western aid.

It is easy to underestimate the value of aid following a cursory glance at the amount of second rate equipment supplied but if you look beyond the headline items and consider the very substantial non weapon material - 58% of aviation fuel, 53% of explosives almost half of the requirement of copper, aluminium and rubber tyres, 57% of railway rails. The americans supplied 1,900 railway locomotives to bolster the truely meagre soviet production of 92. Source: Richard Overy, "Russia's War".

Would the USSR have lost the war without that aid? Probably. Could it have won the war without it? Absolutely not.
Would the USA have supported the USSR if the UK had been knocked out of the war? I dont believe so. Summer 1940 was the hinge.