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    Which nation was more democratic and socially just in 1914; Germany or Britain?

    My question is prompted by remarks in a speech given by James Connolly in 1916

    A very large proportion of these young Irishmen were born and reared in the slums and tenement houses of Dublin. These same slums are notorious the world over for their disease-breeding unhealthy character. All the world over it is known that the poor of Dublin are housed under conditions worse than those of any civilised people on God’s earth.

    From out of those slums these poor misguided brothers of ours have been tricked and deluded into giving battle for England – into waging war upon the German nation which does not permit anywhere within its boundaries such slums and fever dens as the majority of Dublin’s poor must live in.
    James Connolly: The Slums and the Trenches (1916)
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    I have to say that this thought occupies all my waking hours
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    Connolly was a dosser.
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    Britain

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    To answer thie question properly would require a good knowledge of the political history of Europe . Certainly the slums in Dublin were bad.

    Both countries or rather both empires were able to recruit millions, many to die horribly in futile warfare over a few hundred yards of France.

    Would the same have happened with mordern media and communications?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ergo2 View Post
    To answer thie question properly would require a good knowledge of the political history of Europe . Certainly the slums in Dublin were bad.

    Both countries or rather both empires were able to recruit millions, many to die horribly in futile warfare over a few hundred years of France.

    Would the same have happened with mordern media and communications?
    Germany had conscription, as did Britain after 1916, so recruitment isn't the right term.
    However, if such stringent terms of conscription existed today, I think conscientious objectors and the use of modern media and communications would be very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    My question is prompted by remarks in a speech given by James Connolly in 1916
    He'd already flipped the lid at this stage and forgotten about how Bismark tried to subvert the direction the working classes were moving in by introducing the welfare state. Nice find, it's kind of proof positive that he'd lost the Marxist plot and abandoned all thoughts of the internationale. If you can find anything that dates from this era where he's praising Bishops or Priests the picture will be complete.
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    P.ie's resident West Brit Brigade are going to love this thread. Nobody dare criticise mother England.

    In answer to the OP, both Britain and Germany were as bad as each other.
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    Bismarck had introduced an early model of the welfare state with old age pensions, unemployment and accident insurance , and medical care in the 1880's.
    On the other hand the death rate for Paris, Berlin , and London at the time were 15-17/1000, 13-15/1000, 11-13/1000 respectively, while Berlin seems to have been the most overcrowded.
    Capital cities at war: Paris, London, Berlin, 1914-1919 By J. M. Winter, Jean-Louis Robert

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