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    O'Sullivan Bere O'Sullivan Bere is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocoonassa View Post
    After the War of the Three Kingdoms there were indentured servants and Royalist POW's taken from all over. The latter of these were released after the Restoration and the former were released with the agreed pay-off after they'd served their contract. Some of the servants were pressed into service or 'Barbadoed' by privateers whilst others were deported by the Government and some volunteered considering it an opportunity. The island with the most Irish was Montserrat, they celebrate Paddys Day because that's the day they had their slave revolt because all the Irish slave owners were off guard.

    There were no white slaves in the West Indies, generally keeping white Christians as slaves and selling their babies as slaves was a very big no-no. Some people in the modern era, especially Irish Americans it seems, are having difficulty distinguishing between the institutions of slavery and indentured servitude.
    There are many who confuse indentured servants with slaves. Actual indentured servants were actually people who contracted their labour for service, often times for the price of passage to the New World. In fact, the vast number of early Irish immigrants and particularly from Ulster to America used indentured servitude for a period of years as their means of obtaining passage where the ship's company via the captain or other authorised agent would sell the terms of their contract and assign the labour. A few, however, were sent to Georgia from the Caribbean with completely changed names to be reared as Protestants as adoptees into Protestant families. This was not done voluntarily and although the practice was known, it was meant to erase their identity and religion and hence records as to who and just how many are few and far between.

    This is not just the Americans who say this about Irish slaves. It's documented in Irish resources too and even by those there who descend from them and/or are island historians...Irish slaves did exist and were not indentured, although some of them existed too.

    Back then, Catholics were not considered properly 'Christian' in common Protestant theology, and in political and social relations and laws looked upon no more than your local rats insofar as worth. Being Christian itself was not a bar to enslavement. In fact, black slaves were converted to Christianity by force, although many influences of their native religions wound up fused in certain aspects of their 'new faiths'.
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    No, lads, yiz have it all wrong. Paddy was only indentured. A voluntary term of service in the Sugar-Lord's manor over on Antigua, shweeping up the palm leaves that fell hither and thither with a... palm leaf broom. Four months of that back-breaking labour.

    In return, he was given fifty acres and a Belisean mule, cotton seeds, tools and a genuine Jamaican trueblood in order to perpetuate slavery - as invented by Paddy's forefathers in 1168 - and thus, no, Paddy was never a slave because semantic pedantry will convince us otherwise - further adding that, whatever it was that he was at all, was all our own doing and fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpanzee View Post
    The Irish were certainly on the other side of the slavery business in the West Indies. Colin Jackson, the British hurdler is desended from slaves owned by an Irishman called Valetine Dwyer.
    People of all colours and nationalities were on both sides of the slavery business.

    Many slave-owners had themselves been slaves, and many slaves had themselves been slave-owners in their day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyessus View Post
    People of all colours and nationalities were on both sides of the slavery business.
    Absolutely. Plenty Irish owned and participated in it over its existence. So did blacks, not only in acquiring and selling them in Africa but actually owning them in the US and even running plantations, e.g.,

    Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms
    UWEC Geog188 Vogeler - Free Black Slaveowners in South Carolina
    Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sadly enough, it's still a big business today insofar as de facto enslavement via underground means, especially in the seedy underworld sex industry vis-a-vis human trafficking and forced sexual services.
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    I thought that this was common knowledge about Irish people being slaves in the West Indies? Commonly known as Red legs for obvious reasons.. Slavery in Ireland ended when better stronger Black slaves became available. They were more expensive but were much stronger and could handle the heat/sun much better.

    The amount of Irish names in Barbados and other Carribean islands came from the first Irish that were brought over to work on the planatations.. There were other Irish that worked as indentured slaves for Seven years but most were not . There is plenty of Primary research out there to validate these claims.

    Not to harp back to 800 years of oppresion but this was another chapter in that 800 years.
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    There was a program on BBC last night called 'Coast'. The presenter was talking about the coast from Galway to Skibbereen. At one stage he mentioned an incident where 120 people (the total population of Baltimore in West Cork) were taken and sold as slaves by Arab pirates. While putting it in context he said that at that time, in a 100 year period, 1 million people were captured from the coasts of Western Europe and sold by slavers .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    So that'ts where teh Damien Dempsey album title comes from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Bumble View Post
    There was a program on BBC last night called 'Coast'. The presenter was talking about the coast from Galway to Skibbereen. At one stage he mentioned an incident where 120 people (the total population of Baltimore in West Cork) were taken and sold as slaves by Arab pirates. While putting it in context he said that at that time, in a 100 year period, 1 million people were captured from the coasts of Western Europe and sold by slavers .

    I'm reading a very good book on the subject at the moment.

    Amazon.com: White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam's One Million White Slaves (9780374289355): Giles Milton: Books
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    That was probably his source. The entire village of Baltimore were evidently betrayed by lcoal people who had an issue with them and invited the corsairs in. That's the way to deal with antisocial behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuineEile View Post
    Interesting article. Looks like the author is an amateur. Has lots of dates 'n stuff, but doesn't quite ring true for me.

    Any thoughts as to its accuracy, partial or otherwise?


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    Irish Slavery
    The very first sentence in the link made me think of a well known French comic (well known in France that is)



    His name is Anthony Kavanagh. I always thought it kind of odd and slightly funny. He' was born in Quebec to Haitian parents. I guess this might go a long way to explaining it.
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