Fine Gael economic mismanagement: 1980's. Can anyone defend it?

[Eurocitizen]

Title the thread properly, as in seeking to have a proper debate about the economy in the 1980s, and I'm sure plenty of people will. But the thread title makes it clear that you're only interested in FG-bashing, and have little if any interest in the actual subject matter.

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I will not answer any questions on this thread because it is embarrassing to FG .I am only interested in FF trolling and FF bashing threads.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I know nothing that I cannot copy and paste from the newspaper.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Good God will you give an answer, it is a legitimate question and let us all see you defend a useless Government.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[hiding behind a poster]

Congaltee, why don't you post the figures from 1977-1987?

[Simbo67]

Thanks for the private message Congaltee:
"If you cannot improve on a blank screen, do not post.

There are 8 major statistics on how the Party you support left the economy in the OP. Deal with them or don't bother posting."

I already posted. I mentioned how ridiculous it was to blame FG for the mess of the 1980s while ignoring the mess they were handed using an example.

[Fraxinus_]

Would it not be fair to say that as long as we follow the neoliberal policies that we do, no matter who is in charge, booms will be followed by busts and it will always be the ordinary working man/woman who picks up the tab while a minority have made their millions. The FG/FF spat is getting boring at this stage.

[toughbutfair]

(1) FF messed up the situation from 1977 (Lynch, then Haughey) ONe of worst governments ever.

(2) FG/Lab was also terrible. FG too weak to stand up to Labour and labour's socialism meant poor business sense and wouldn't stand up to Unions i.e. everyone paid so unions would be okay.

(3) FF 1987 was one of the best ever goverments. Mac Sharry made major cuts, closed down hospitals, class sizes we could afford etc. Tough choices indeed. Set the way for the 1990s real growth. Alan Dukes also deserves massive praise for allowing the government make such tough decisions.

While, there should be an election to give a government a mandate to deal with this crises, the next best thing would be for Enda Kenny to do an Alan Dukes and for FF to do a Ray McSharry. It causes hardship but is proven to work. A short sharp shock sets the way for growth and is better for all in the long run.

[Congalltee]

Congaltee, why don't you post the figures from 1977-1987?

Why don't you? It is your party who was in power.

lynch was the worst thing to ever happen the Irish economy. It can be taken as a given that his government had gross mismanagement of the economy. Next came Haughey with his divided party. Then Fitzgerald with a paper thin majority. Then GUBU. These five years were disaster. Only cowen/ahern have a worst record.
So November 1982, take it from there....

[hiding behind a poster]

Why don't you? It is your party who was in power.

My party wasn't in power from 1977-81, or for most of 1982.

lynch was the worst thing to ever happen the Irish economy. It can be taken as a given that his government had gross mismanagement of the economy. Next came Haughey with his divided party. Then Fitzgerald with a paper thin majority. Then GUBU. These five years were disaster. Only cowen/ahern have a worst record.
So November 1982, take it from there....

Why November 1982? You won't post the figures for the years before that, so the situation in November 1982 can't be placed in the correct context.

[edwin]

Congaltee, why don't you post the figures from 1977-1987?

Do you think it's possible to take over a bad situation and then make it a lot worse? No sensible person think either the 77-81 governemnt or the 82-87 government were any good. don't you realise how silly it makes you look that you can't admit any fault in your own party??

[hiding behind a poster]

Do you think it's possible to take over a bad situation and then make it a lot worse? No sensible person think either the 77-81 governemnt or the 82-87 government were any good.

The OP is suggesting that an analysis of the Irish economy in the 1980s should start in November 1982, but should not include figures for the previous years. Now I don't know if you have any economics qualifications, but I do - and if you want proper economic analysis, you simply cannot do what the OP suggests.

don't you realise how silly it makes you look that you can't admit any fault in your own party??

I haven't said anything about my own party on this thread. If the OP wants an ACTUAL discussion about how the Irish economy performed in the 1980s, along with the performances of each party, he knows what to do. But he hasn't done it yet.

[edwin]

The OP is suggesting that an analysis of the Irish economy in the 1980s should start in November 1982, but should not include figures for the previous years. Now I don't know if you have any economics qualifications, but I do - and if you want proper economic analysis, you simply cannot do what the OP suggests.



I haven't said anything about my own party on this thread. If the OP wants an ACTUAL discussion about how the Irish economy performed in the 1980s, along with the performances of each party, he knows what to do. But he hasn't done it yet.

No, the OP criticises FG management of the economy from 82 to 87 and you won't engage with it because you know it's indefensible. That's it really. If you have no interest in a thread because of the subject matter that's fair enough but don't be disingenuous about it.