Fine Gael economic mismanagement: 1980's. Can anyone defend it?

[KingKane]

So no, you cannot/refuse to defend their performance.

(if any mod wants to change the title to a neutral one, so be it, but neutral titled threads tend to dissappear).

Irish national debt in the 1980s - the figures and the facts|Daniel Sullivan - he’s a little political

Economic performance isn't based on actual decades you know, it's not like party X's performance wins decade Y. Or that things are reset at the end of a decade.

I think FG/Lab could have done better while in government, but your post is about absolving FF for the accelerating of the deterioration in the public finances and pretending that FG/Lab were starting with a blank slate.

[markeys]

Did you see the state of the economy they were handed by the crooks in FF? It's no wonder so many emigrated during FG time in power. It was too little too late to save most.

Now, it seems history is repeating. FF/GReens are bankrupting the country - literally. Mass unemployment and every single taxpayer in debt to the banks thanks to NAMA and billions of taxpayers money handed over by FF to their mates.

Soon, whenever it happens, history will repeat itself - FF will hand over what's left of the country to FG. And FG will be left to attempt to sort out the mess. I suggest it's first step should be scrapping the tribunals and instigating criminal proceedings against FF thieves and traitors.

[KingKane]

FG F***** it up and forced hundreds of thousands to emigrate with no hope.

Expect to get abused for even suggesting that the incompetence of Garret the Good and his fellow travellers should even be looked at critically.

Worth noting the peak years of emigration were under FF.

[DCon]

Out of interest, if FG or FG/LAB inherit this basket case of an economy from Fianna Fail, will FFers immediately start blaming FG for all the economic woes?

I can just see Cowen/Lenihan complaining about high unemployment and under-funding of the HSE on their second day in Opposition.

[Simbo67]

What a troll thread. The op is dumb for starting it. Its like blaming the allies for bombing Berlin in April 1945 without explaining the context of the previous decade. What a stupid thread.

[Congalltee]

I posted some statistics from 1987. The obvious starting point for anyone to defend FG's term in office is those same statistics from 1982/3.
Nobody has.
There have been bizarre attempts to avoid the net issue of this thread: Can anyone defend the record of that government with anything resembling a fact? (clue: look at inflation rates for a start but also look at deficit, unemployment, interest rates).

[Mitsui2]

It's an interesting thought though that - given the short collective memory of the electorate that makes threads with nonnsensical titles such as this even possible - there's a good chance that in thirty years it may just be possible for some FF drone to make such a claim (however maliciously).

The one sure way to avoid this, seems to me, would be for the next FG govt to immediately launch a full, no-holds-barred enquiry into FFs handling of the economy during the boom years.

Now there's a report I'd pay to read!

[Congalltee]

Irish national debt in the 1980s - the figures and the facts|Daniel Sullivan - he’s a little political

Economic performance isn't based on actual decades you know, it's not like party X's performance wins decade Y. Or that things are reset at the end of a decade.

I think FG/Lab could have done better while in government, but your post is about absolving FF for the accelerating of the deterioration in the public finances and pretending that FG/Lab were starting with a blank slate.

It would take a lot of vodka to absolve FF (and Lynch and Cowen in particular) from the detiorating the public finances (1977 to 1982 and indeed 2008-2011).


But these are the FG figures (kindly supplied by you good self) for the natioanl debt. What is the explantion for 1986?

1983 - 18,274 which is a 23.33% increase on previous year

1984 - 21,358 which is a 16.87% increase on previous year

1985 - 23,492 which is a 9.99% increase on previous year

1986 - 27,440 which is a 16.8% increase on previous year

1987 - 30,085 which is a 9.63% increase on previous year

Could have done better is rather an understatment.

[Congalltee]

One would enter into a discussion on the topic - but one look at the identity of the OP tends to put one off.

Primarily because Congaltee/Q24U/Apparatik? and whatever else they have been in a past life around here is a notorious sh^tstirrer, an infamous FG baiter despite the protestations and primarily because once a serious discussion develops - they are incapable of participating -well make one or 2 lame attempts at getting the thread back to their original purpose - FG baiting - and then will piss off.

Never Apparatik. I do challenge Fine Gaelers on their myths, that somehow they are superior on the economy than all other parties.

This thread is a request to Fine Gael to defend their record in government. It is a long time ago, and the previous 5 years were disasters (Lynch, Haughey, Fitzgerald, Haughey), but the 82 to 87 government was the longest.

It is HbaP who has tried to derail this thread by avoding the topic. Some have taken their cue from him.

The reason for this thread, he claimed on another thread that he had a link to explain FG management of the economy, it has failed ot materialise on that thread or this.
http://www.politics.ie/fine-gael/123...ml#post2430506

[odie1kanobe]

Case closed.

The economic intelligensia have spoken.

Defend their record then rather than running and hiding.