Dear God, you really are serious, aren't you? You actually believe that humanity can only progress when racist nutjobs decide to run around slaughtering their neighbours! You don't think a society can develop a sophisticated civilisation by itself, peacefully!Originally Posted by BelfastSpark
Yer a friggin loon. Dangerous, too.
*adds Sparky to ignore list*
Are you an evil spirit returned to haunt us from the dark days of the 19C?Originally Posted by BelfastSpark
Firstly What I mean about Ultra Republicans are those who fail to See that the English have been here in one form or another for 800 years, also that they believe that if they wernt, Ireland would be in a state of Gaelic Utopia and egalitarianism,That all Irelands woes are the fault of the Brits and refuse to believe that the success that is Ireland today is a partly product of English euntreprenarialship, laws and government, secondly Japan certainly was a closed society yet had little civil society ruled by corrupt shoguns until a 'western style' japanese army with western Technology defeated the Samurai.I think 1860s? The Indian Kingdoms of south America were at a stone age state by 1600 before the spanish came,although they had a somewhat civilised society and hierachy and to the natives misfortune they paid the price because of superior technology, nonetheless now they are modern states, honestly do you Think if the Spanish never came and they had no outside influence or contact at all, they would be at the same level as Europe?? I dont think so, ok it sounds Rascist and Darwinian but thats not really what im trying to say,only cold hard realitiesOriginally Posted by Cael
No Cael, im not a CommunistOriginally Posted by Cael
Whether invasions are considered good or bad, the analogy seems a bad comaprison, since the Gaels from Ireland set up an independent kingdom in Scotland, so I get the impression that was more like the Norman invasion of England than the English conquest of Ireland.
I didnt say humanity progresses when the slaugter of humanity takes place, you said that, I said it happens to occur with Invasion, like it or not. Im sorry I have offended your functionalist sensibilites.But Ive never come across a society that has developed peacefully, always with the search for resourses conflict with other nations-civilisations war-conflict breaks out.Its in the Human Genome. How do you think Europe is at peace today? because nations went to war, a means to an end dont you think..however unpalatable it might me, im not saying I agree with it, but it happens, peace comes out of conflict!!!Originally Posted by Sidewinder
Well the first crown of Scotland was the intermarriage of the Picts and Gaelic settlers, so in essence it represented the unification of these peoples rather than Gaelic cultural dominance.Originally Posted by Gombeen
I agree; if nationalists in 1914 had marched to Belfast to confront the UVF's threat of violence to deny total Home Rule there would have been a civil war between Unionists and Nationalists. One would assume nationalists would have won. It happened the US to stablise the society.because nations went to war, a means to an end dont you think..however unpalatable it might me, im not saying I agree with it, but it happens, peace comes out of conflict!!!
It won't ever happen now, of course, as we're all too civilised.
Absolutely, and further to that, because Unionists had The might of the British army behind them, they got their way. Its a sad but realistic fact.Originally Posted by Westie24
On another Note, you think if the Irish had of invaded England we would have done anything different than they did to us??