Rogue Pregnancy Counselling Services.

[Christine Murray]

thats not counselling clanrickard and their methodologies happen to be suspect. This includes separating the client from their support. l have attended Cura sessions with 2 pals in the last years, its not acceptable to do that , nor to show videos , nor to manipulate. lts an incredibly vulnerable time for girls and women. That is why we have the CPA.

[Clanrickard]

thats not counselling clanrickard and their methodologies happen to be suspect. This includes separating the client from their support. l have attended Cura sessions with 2 pals in the last years, its not acceptable to do that , nor to show videos , nor to manipulate. lts an incredibly vulnerable time for girls and women. That is why we have the CPA.

What is counseling then?

[Clanrickard]

Is the charity, IFPA, pursuing an agenda by funding 3 pro-abortion cases before the ECtHR?

They are up front about being pro-abortion. It's on their web site. My point is that the CPA should be dissuading women from having abortions rather than giving non-directive counseling. Abortion is illegal (and rightly so) in this jurisdiction and the taxpayer should not be funding groups who are involved in promoting it.

[Christine Murray]

non-directive listening. Do not women and girls in this country not merit places of safety in which they can speak about their unplanned pregnancies ? The provision of these services is crucial to the issue. A rogue agency does not by any means provide non-directive support and counselling, hence the Positive Options link in the OP.

[Clanrickard]

non-directive listening. Do not women and girls in this country not merit places of safety in which they can speak about their unplanned pregnancies ? The provision of these services is crucial to the issue. A rogue agency does not by any means provide non-directive support and counselling, hence the Positive Options link in the OP.

"place of safety" what kind of over emotive talk is that. The days when pregnant women were ostracized are well and truly over. Positive Options provides links to organisations who provide abortion information. It doesn't try to dissuade at all merely matter o factly tells people to contact every agency, bar CURA and Life, who'll give them the info to go and have an abortion as if they were going out to buy a newspaper.

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Ireland is full of surprises when it comes to medical regulatory matters, is it not?

It is about time that Ms Harney commented on this issue, given that the appalling services amongst named rogue
agencies have been highlighted for over a year now.

1. They are not IACP registered.

2.They use manipulation against vulnerable women and girls in order to prevent them travelling to the UK /Netherlands
for abortion services.

Warning on biased crisis pregnancy 'counselling' - The Irish Times - Tue, Jul 21, 2009

Choice Ireland has been campaigning on this issue for awhile:

Video of month of action against the rogue agency | Choice Ireland

Positive Options: Positive Options, Crisis Pregnancy Services.

Correct - Harney is once again FOS for coming out saying these rogue agencies are disgraceful...when they have come to the fore under her watch and so why doesnt she liase with her colleague in Justice to have the appropriate people prosecuted!!??

[Christine Murray]

l don't think those days are over clanrickard, when quite clearly non-regulated shopfront agencies providing directive counselling based in biased misinformation are based in Dublin. The issue of regulation being lost on the current minister for health.

[Clanrickard]

l don't think those days are over clanrickard, when quite clearly non-regulated shopfront agencies providing directive counselling based in biased misinformation are based in Dublin. .

That's not what I meant. Being pregnant is not some kind of shameful event as it was so your over emotive portrayal of Counseling agencies is a throw back to the past. Yes they are biased but so are other agencies in favour of abortion.

[Wednesday]

does anybody have any hard evidence other than disagreeing with their agenda?

Newstalk sent in someone undercover a few years ago and recorded their "counselling" session. Choice Ireland have done the same and gave a copy of their recording to Hot Press which also reported on it a couple years ago. I've been to demonstrations at the most notorious of these places and the people there have come out to argue with us and have openly admitted to the use of these tactics. Even the Pro-Life Campaign stated, at the time that this place was in the courts over an illegal adoption scandal (the Baby A case in 1999), that regulation was needed to shut these places down. There's absolutely no question about what goes on there. But I take it from your reluctance to believe it that you agree it's unacceptable.

[Clanrickard]

Newstalk sent in someone undercover a few years ago and recorded their "counselling" session. Choice Ireland have done the same and gave a copy of their recording to Hot Press which also reported on it a couple years ago. I've been to demonstrations at the most notorious of these places and the people there have come out to argue with us and have openly admitted to the use of these tactics. Even the Pro-Life Campaign stated, at the time that this place was in the courts over an illegal adoption scandal (the Baby A case in 1999), that regulation was needed to shut these places down. There's absolutely no question about what goes on there. But I take it from your reluctance to believe it that you agree it's unacceptable.

So "Choice" Ireland a strongly pro-abortion crowd is angry with people for strongly being against abortion and dissuading people from same and they give their evidence to he most left wing right-on magazine in the country. Hardly proof is it?