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    They are "rogue" only in the eyes of Choice Ireland. Outside of that idealogically driven grouping, they would be seen as perfectly legitimaet, and I wish them continued sucess and support.

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    I dislike trolls, issues need discussing and they are being discussed. The times of expecting
    women who refuse to accept the jaundiced view of issues such as the abuses mentioned in
    the above post (OP) are over. Of course it would seem both cheap and convenient to hide everything
    under a blanket of "Thou shalt not...".


    The issues are discussed on this site : Choice Ireland | A web site of pro-choice activists in Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by femmefatale View Post
    Dot, given that abortion is effectively illegal in Ireland, aren't those 'crisis pregnancy agencies' who provide information on how to procure an abortion 'rogue'? They, after all, are the ones trying to subvert/circumvent the law.
    You don't seem to know what the law is. Under the Constitution and the Regulation of Information (Services Outside the State for Termination of Pregnancies) Act 1995, it is legal for a woman to obtain an abortion abroad and it is legal for information to be provided on how to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Big_Fellow
    They are "rogue" only in the eyes of Choice Ireland. Outside of that idealogically driven grouping, they would be seen as perfectly legitimaet
    Actually, they were condemned by all TDs at the Oireachtas commitee hearing - including those present from Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wednesday View Post
    You don't seem to know what the law is. Under the Constitution and the Regulation of Information (Services Outside the State for Termination of Pregnancies) Act 1995, it is legal for a woman to obtain an abortion abroad and it is legal for information to be provided on how to do so.

    Actually, they were condemned by all TDs at the Oireachtas commitee hearing - including those present from Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.
    I'm aware of what you state. I still think that in a country were abortion is not legitimate, it seems strange to identify anti-abortion groups as 'rogue' and abortion-information-providing groups as acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by femmefatale View Post
    I'm aware of what you state. I still think that in a country were abortion is not legitimate, it seems strange to identify anti-abortion groups as 'rogue' and abortion-information-providing groups as acceptable.
    you may respond to the OP or you may troll the thread FF, it's immaterial to me.
    I personally think you should address your weakness for trolling and taking matters
    away from the issues which are discussed here and in the OP :

    'Rogue' pregnancy agencies criticised | Choice Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by dot View Post
    you may respond to the OP or you may troll the thread FF, it's immaterial to me.
    I personally think you should address your weakness for trolling and taking matters
    away from the issues which are discussed here and in the OP :

    'Rogue' pregnancy agencies criticised | Choice Ireland
    How exactly am I trolling? Can only those who are pro-choice comment on this thread? Sounds like censorship to me, Dot. My questions are legitimate and do pertain to the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by femmefatale View Post
    I'm aware of what you state. I still think that in a country were abortion is not legitimate, it seems strange to identify anti-abortion groups as 'rogue' and abortion-information-providing groups as acceptable.
    Abortion is permitted under the constitution, albeit in very limited circumstances.
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    As dreams are made on; and our little life
    Is rounded with a sleep." - The Tempest, Act 4, Scene 1

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    RE: the OP, yes it's inappropriate for state funded services to give advice on how to evade Irish law (which is essentially what you do when you go to the UK for termination), just as it was innappropriate when AIB and others helped Irish people evade tax with offshore accounts, or if the state drugs advice board gave me advice on where to go in Holland to get the best gear.

    Similarly though, state funded boards who don't offer such advice can't describe themselves as neutral, offering all the information or all the options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by femmefatale View Post
    I'm aware of what you state. I still think that in a country were abortion is not legitimate, it seems strange to identify anti-abortion groups as 'rogue' and abortion-information-providing groups as acceptable.
    The abortion-information-providers are acting within a statutory framework which was set out by the 1995 Act and the Crisis Pregnancy Agency orders. The rogue agencies are acting outside this statutory framework. Pretty simple really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato View Post
    Abortion is permitted under the constitution, albeit in very limited circumstances.
    Non-'rogue' Pregnancy Counselling Services provide information on the procurement of terminations which could not take place legally and legitimately in Ireland. It's a rather strange state of affairs. It's a bit like having travel agencies who can give advice to those who want to engage in sex tourism abroad.

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