Niall Behan, Head of the IFPA disappointed on abortion data.

[Christine Murray]

IFPA ‘disappointed’ on abortion data

"The Irish Family Planning Association (IFPA) has described as
“disappointing” a fall of just 86 in the number of Irish women
travelling to Britain for abortions last year as compared with 2007.

Chief executive Niall Behan called yesterday for contraception to be
made available free of charge, as it is in Britain, and for the
morning-after pill to be available over the counter.

Figures just published by the British department of health statistics
office show 4,600 girls and women who had abortions in England and
Wales last year gave Irish addresses, compared with 4,686 in the
previous year.

The reduction of 86 last year compares with a reduction of 356 in 2007
on the 2006 figure of 5,042, and a reduction in 2006 of 543 on the
2005 figure of 5,585."


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[mccafferty cat]

Chief executive Niall Behan called yesterday for contraception to be
made available free of charge, as it is in Britain, and for the
morning-after pill to be available over the counter.

I agree with proposal number 1, but disagree strongly with proposal number 2

[Limerick Lad]

He is correct to be disappointed, despite the availability of contraception here for decades there are still so many unwanted pregnancies but whether it's down to lack of education with regard to contraception. the embarrassment factor for some in approaching their doctor or the local chemist to meet their contraceptive needs or just a lack of responsibility by some is the question that needs to be addressed.
In this day and age no one should end up pregnant unless they want to be.

[Fr. Fahey]

When abortion was made widely available in western Europe from the 1940s on, one of the arguments of the pro abortionists was that all the other great innovations they were introducing such as freely available contraception, school sex education and so on would actully lead to a situation in which abortion would become far less common even than it had been when it was illegal. Well, we all know how that went for them and that abortion is now often the birth control methond of first rather than last resort and that its availability has lowered the threshold in relation to peoples moral attitude to killing unborn children, to the extent of course where intelligent people will seriously argue that nothing is actually being killed when a fetus is terminated. Same people often become highly emotional about hares being chased by greyhounds for some bizarre reason.

[Christine Murray]

When abortion was made widely available in western Europe from the 1940s on, one of the arguments of the pro abortionists was that all the other great innovations they were introducing such as freely available contraception, school sex education and so on would actully lead to a situation in which abortion would become far less common even than it had been when it was illegal. Well, we all know how that went for them and that abortion is now often the birth control methond of first rather than last resort and that its availability has lowered the threshold in relation to peoples moral attitude to killing unborn children, to the extent of course where intelligent people will seriously argue that nothing is actually being killed when a fetus is terminated. Same people often become highly emotional about hares being chased by greyhounds for some bizarre reason.

I am open to discussion on the issue; but I will not respond to anyone who utilises hyperbole in this very serious issue- especially in relation to
the hidden factors which involve pre-consent children and dealing with terminal illness.

Thx

[Fr. Fahey]

I am open to discussion on the issue; but I will not respond to anyone who utilises hyperbole in this very serious issue- especially in relation to
the hidden factors which involve pre-consent children and dealing with terminal illness.

Thx

Of course. You will only engage with people who accept your own illusions about what actually takes place. There is a utilitarian argument for abortion in cases of rape, incest etc, but don't go pretending that what takes place does not involve a death.
Same applies by the way to argument for death penalty. One of great accomplsihments of socialist and fascist totalitarianism was to replace the reality of death by euphamisms like liquidation and cleansing. Similar applies in this case I think.

[Christine Murray]

Of course. You will only engage with people who accept your own illusions about what actually takes place. There is a utilitarian argument for abortion in cases of rape, incest etc, but don't go pretending that what takes place does not involve a death.
Same applies by the way to argument for death penalty. One of great accomplsihments of socialist and fascist totalitarianism was to replace the reality of death by euphamisms like liquidation and cleansing. Similar applies in this case I think.

I don't have illusions about the issue, and am indeed not liberal on the issue of abortion but I certainly will not be told to shut up by someone who
engages in incitement and sweeping generalisation either.

[Factorem]

What a thread title!

For a moment there you'd think he was disappointed there weren't enough abortions in Ireland.

[Factorem]

IFPA: a scab of an organisation.

[Christine Murray]

IFPA: a scab of an organisation.

Family planning and sexual health issues for both men and women is highly important , though I have to say seeing people of a saturday afternoon
on their knees in Dublin praying for the dematerialisation of the premises does grate a little bit.