Unionised managers in hospitals and the HSE mean self indulgent workers co-ops

[patslatt]

Other P.ie posters have pointed out that hospital chief executives in publicly funded hospitals are trade union members, as apparently are many if not most HSE managers almost to the very top of the HSE. One poster claims that the unions insist the the hospital chief executives must be promoted from within the hospital staff and that talented outsiders need not apply.

Obviously,this union membership is a conflict of interest with the role of a manager supposedly representing the interest of patients and of the government when there is a clash with the interests of the union workforce. Clashes arise with pay levels,work practices,workforce discipline and the self interest of the manager who may need the union to defend his own position. This could explain why hospital CEOs have a reputation for hiding in their offices,instead of finding out the problems in hospitals and dealing them,problems that would require them to discipline their fellow mates in the self indulgent workers co-ops. A unionised manager is an oxymoron.

No wonder the billions lavished on hospitals are producing meagre results. The fact that all Ministers of Health allowed this unionisation of key managers in the same union as the workforce illustrates the servile appeasement of public sector unions.

[Question R24U]

Do You have links, numbers or the name of this better informed poster?

[bormotello]

BTW
HSE chiefs got big pay rise as cuts hit service - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

Mary Harney sanctioned massive pay hikes for senior executive positions in the HSE while the health service was in the grip of a recruitment freeze, the Irish Independent has learned.

She gave the green light for vastly improved remuneration packages for some new executive jobs following intense lobbying by HSE chief Brendan Drumm.

Prof Drumm argued the six-figure salaries already on offer for a number of senior positions weren't good enough to attract candidates from the private sector.

Details of the negotiations emerged in documents obtained by the Irish Independent under the Freedom of Information Act.

The talks between the HSE and the Department of Health took place against the backdrop of a €250m budget deficit which led to the HSE banning recruitment for three months.

Despite the recruitment ban, the Health Minister gave the HSE chief the go-ahead to offer tens of thousands of euro more per year to new senior executives, provided they were brought in on fixed-term contracts rather than as full-time salaried public servants.

In one case an executive was given a €205,000-a-year contract, when less than €160,000-a-year was previously on offer.

[patslatt]

BTW
HSE chiefs got big pay rise as cuts hit service - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

The contracts are for a fixed term and can be terminated. The number of positions may be very small and critical for top management. If the HSE could not fill those positions at the existing salary,it is logical to offer a higher salary.

That said,large unjustified pay increases for large numbers of top managers are not to be encouraged.

[hopi watcher]

Other P.ie posters have pointed out that hospital chief executives in publicly funded hospitals are trade union members, as apparently are many if not most HSE managers almost to the very top of the HSE. One poster claims that the unions insist the the hospital chief executives must be promoted from within the hospital staff and that talented outsiders need not apply.

Obviously,this union membership is a conflict of interest with the role of a manager supposedly representing the interest of patients and of the government when there is a clash with the interests of the union workforce. Clashes arise with pay levels,work practices,workforce discipline and the self interest of the manager who may need the union to defend his own position. This could explain why hospital CEOs have a reputation for hiding in their offices,instead of finding out the problems in hospitals and dealing them,problems that would require them to discipline their fellow mates in the self indulgent workers co-ops. A unionised manager is an oxymoron.

No wonder the billions lavished on hospitals are producing meagre results. The fact that all Ministers of Health allowed this unionisation of key managers in the same union as the workforce illustrates the servile appeasement of public sector unions.

"hospital CEOs have a reputation for hiding in their offices,instead of finding out the problems in hospitals and dealing..." say's who? Or is this just another case of false claims and accusations. I hear a little story acomin!!!

[patslatt]

"hospital CEOs have a reputation for hiding in their offices,instead of finding out the problems in hospitals and dealing..." say's who? Or is this just another case of false claims and accusations. I hear a little story acomin!!!

According to the very recent thread by the hospital consultant about patients getting in the way. But don't bother reading it.You are in denial about anything that might puncture your fairy tale ideological wet dreams of wonderful government services,delivered by selfless,conscientious public servants.

[patslatt]

Do You have links, numbers or the name of this better informed poster?

http://www.politics.ie/health-social...y-get-way.html

[Fairplay]

One of the workers who got €205,000 rather than the €160,000 on offer was Sean McGrath new HR supremo at HSE (formerly with a bank!). Mary Harney mantra was always 'if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.' This man also gets 25% bonus (not sure for what - how many front line staff he can get rid off?) + super pension. Surely you could get a HR professional for €160,000 pa?

Mr Mcgrath was speaking at a private health conference last thursday. Incidentally what was he doing there? He did not impress some delegates. No specifics when questioned on redundancy packages for superfluous admin/managers. Said he did not know when asked about key HSE policy for integrated care.

Not long there and has junior doctors heading for Labour Court.

Did he ever hear the phrase 'motivating staff'.

[bormotello]

One of the workers who got €205,000 rather than the €160,000 on offer was Sean McGrath new HR supremo at HSE (formerly with a bank!). Mary Harney mantra was always 'if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.'

Like many Irish politicians, she doesn’t know anything, except art of giving false promising and fully relies on her advisors.
She heard somewhere that big salary is always key to success. But because she never did anything outside politic, she doesn’t know that it not always working.
Very big salary is important if you hiring
1) somebody, who has track of proven achievements. Sean McGrath didn’t achieved anything unusual during his job in NIB. His job was convince shareholders that staff is under control. He definitely is very good in writing nice reports, but doesn’t have much experience to fight with unions.
2) somebody, who has good relation with customers. For example, if you selling electrical stuff, it would be useful to have former senior purchaser from ESB. I don’t think that HSE will work exclusively for NIB.
3) somebody, talented, who didn’t achieved much, but looks very promising.
4) somebody, who is very important for competitor and without him competitor will collapse. HSE is not competing with NIB and NIB will collapse itself very soon. May be not, because they manage to get rid of one lazy fat cat.
May it will be few more cases, but none of them applies to Sean McGrath

[frenk]

According to the very recent thread by the hospital consultant about patients getting in the way. But don't bother reading it.You are in denial about anything that might puncture your fairy tale ideological wet dreams of wonderful government services,delivered by selfless,conscientious public servants.

ya ya. you sound like a paragon of conscientiousness. not to mention your heart breaking selflessness