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    State can't afford HSE job cut plan

    This tells you how bad things are going, I've pointed out on these boards before that it often costs money to save money. Seems like we've totally run out of money:

    Sunday Times
    State can't afford HSE job cut plan

    €300m redundancy programme for 2,000-4,000 workers is shelved


    Plans to cut thousands of jobs in the Health Service Executive (HSE) this year have been abandoned because the government does not have the money to fund a €300m redundancy programme.
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    I think that was last week's ST, Cyp, I posted this on the 'Snouts at the Trough' thread:
    Apparently the HSE can't lay people off as per their plan because the government can't afford the redundancy packages, amounting to 300 million. This piece of the Sunday Times article about what the savings per year for laying people off were up until recently caught my eye:
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    The HSE has a €7.5 billion annual payroll, including pension obligations, and could save €67m a year for every 1,000 redundancies secured.

    The amount they spent on PR liars and twisters over the last two years was 51 million. In other words, if my appallingly bad maths skills are anywhere near right, the equivalent of something like 350 jobs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    I think that was last week's ST, Cyp, I posted this on the 'Snouts at the Trough' thread:
    Indeed , the version of the ST front page I'm reading is interspersing stories from this week, last week & oddly enough October

    So this thread should be locked

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    It seems a nonsense, given that in the longterm it would yield net-savings. Yet again, this is a sign of a govt incapable of thinking ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Indeed , the version of the ST front page I'm reading is interspersing stories from this week, last week & oddly enough October

    So this thread should be locked

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    No, it shouldn't be locked, there hasn't been another thread on the topic, and my reference to it last week was only in the context of the thread, weighing up the cost of PR hacks hired by the HSE against the savings from each sacked worker as per the article. It's thread-worthy in its own right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    This tells you how bad things are going, I've pointed out on these boards before that it often costs money to save money. Seems like we've totally run out of money:



    cYp
    Is this €300m figure based on how much Statutory redundancy would be payable to those being left go? as in Statutory Redundancy is 2 weeks salary per year of service for those in employment for over 2 years - or is there an additional nest egg included in the €300m figure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    This tells you how bad things are going, I've pointed out on these boards before that it often costs money to save money. Seems like we've totally run out of money:



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    The state could easily afford redundancies if it taxed redundancy payments as most countries do.See http://www.politics.ie/economy/40795...dard-rate.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    Is this €300m figure based on how much Statutory redundancy would be payable to those being left go? as in Statutory Redundancy is 2 weeks salary per year of service for those in employment for over 2 years - or is there an additional nest egg included in the €300m figure?

    Good point. While anything above statutary is a good thing and should be encouraged, if the employer genuinely cant afford to pay above statutary, thats it, statutary. I would have a lot of sympathy however for anyone made redundant on statutay only basis
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    This is exactly what HSE must do immediately – reduce number of managers
    The indications that the Department of Finance is unwilling to fund a planned €100 million redundancy scheme for up to 1,000 HSE middle managers is a disappointment to the HSE, and reduces its room for manoeuvre in reducing staffing costs.
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    Government should only pay statutory redundancy to anybody made redundant out of the public service.

    It is taxpayers money and should be spent providing lump sums to public servants.

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