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Thread: Universal Healthcare Models

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    Universal Healthcare Models

    1. Single-Tier Universal (ala Canada) (as advocated by SF/Greens)

    2. Universal Compulsory Insurance (ala France) (as advocated by Labour)

    Whats the diffrence between these two models does anyone know the detailes,

    With 2 are you able to choose your insurer? or is it a state monopoly...and how is this diffrent to a private system thats what I really don't get

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    It's all just crazy socialism as far as I'm concerned. I doubt even their advocates in Ireland know the difference.
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    cRAZY SOCIALISM!

    I know, I mean it's MADNESS, treatment based on medical need not how much money you have, next women will be looking for the vote and the poor will be wanting to close the workhouses!

    (Damm crazy canadians who have a fantastic healthcare system don't know what they've gotten themselves into)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    cRAZY SOCIALISM!

    I know, I mean it's MADNESS, treatment based on medical need not how much money you have, next women will be looking for the vote and the poor will be wanting to close the workhouses!

    (Damm crazy canadians who have a fantastic healthcare system don't know what they've gotten themselves into)
    Like us the Canadians complain about how slow their health service is. I also love the way the success stories of the social model are picked rather then the many times it has failed abysmally. Like France!

    I think it is necessary for the State to have a major role in Heathcare but at the moment its just not working in Ireland.
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    They dont' have any a&e crises.

    I'm not in favour of French style rights based welfare and deficit spending, don't pigion hole me as some raving mad communist.

    It's not at all a radical idea to have healthcare based on medical need not ability to pay.

    It's the likes of our system and the US system that don't work..and to top it all off THEY COST MORE how ironic, the public system cheaper.

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    anyway my mind is made up I'm not here to debate Universal Healthcare just ask those in favour of it what model would work best and what the diffrence is.

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    Comparing American and Irish Healthcare - chalk and cheese. Until relatively recently Ireland was a socialist state in all but name. The State was expected to provide everything and still does in Heathcare albeit badly. Why not try out an element of private enterprise. Maybe then 8 out of every 10 euro of an increase in health spending wouldn't go on administration.
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    In fact private healtcare spends more on administration as they have to piss money away on marketing, Medicare in the USA is the most cost effective insurance paln in the country, and it's a government programme.

    The USA have a private dominated model, and it's an unmitigated disaster that they've been trying to change for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    The USA have a private dominated model, and it's an unmitigated disaster that they've been trying to change for years.
    We have a public sector dominated model and its just as much of a disaster.
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    Thats because ownership (public or private) is not the heart of our problem.

    Funding and management are.

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