East Europeans welfare fraud forces dole changes

[euroboy]

I support the move by the Dept of Social Welfare to require new claimants to collect social welfare payments in person at a local post office. While having income and other payments made into a bank account is very convient and removes the bothersome of waiting in line and the temptation of spending it all in one go if you don't deposit it there and then. I've always expressed reservations about having social welfare payments paid directly into one's bank account on the grounds of fraud. And from the post by kerrynorth, it is clear that fraud is taking place and such a payment method factilates it. I hold the opinion that if you are unemployed, willing and able to work(not incapaciated for those of you might argue 'what about the immobile'), then you should have ample time to go to the post office and collect your payments in person. One could also argue on the grounds that having people collect social welfare in person ensures that the local post office stays alive.

While I refer the use of the term foreign national when trying to distinguish between Irish nationals and those who are not Irish, I find nothing wrong with the term 'non-national'. I get extremely irrated by people who do not engage in substance of a discussion but rather nit pick over terms which are not overtly intended to cause offence. The use of the term 'non-national' I believe in the context of a discussion concerning some aspect of Irish society, implictally implies Non-Irish. e.g. When we refer to 'The President', it is implied we mean ''Our' or the Irish President. No-one seriously can interpret the term non-national to mean someone of no nationality.

[FrankSpeaks]

On a sampling of 2000 new claimants they found that 10% were claiming while not living in the country i.e. fraud. Also an earlier sampling of Children's Allowance found an 800% greater incidence of fraud among non-nationals - the fraud level among non-nationals was 13% compared to circa 1.5% among Irish nationals. I have no doubt that the 10% frauduantly claiming dole were predominantly East Europeans.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fro ... 92868.html

YOU ARE A RACIST, pure and simple, your wild assumptions point 100% to this conclusion.

I posted on this same topic without your Racist overtones and scum grabbing anti-Eastern European headline. It is generally people of very low IQ that blame others for their own economic ails. Now why don't you get back to shovelling the cow sh!te.

viewtopic.php?f=88&t=38818&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I just had a little d!ck PD suggest that I must be unemployed because I'm against making them queue, that is the type of moron that should make it a long way in politics in this country.

You are being unfair to Kerrynorth what is racist about stating facts and links to those facts in this thread.

[madura]

Is there a problem with the term "non-Irish"? Blessed if I can see what it is.

[dub006]

'Non National' is a legal term which is defined in the Immigration act of 1999.


as an example of the scams being perpetrated by non nationals those committed by those outside of the EU countries are more worrying as they are supposed to be entitled to less benefits than EU citizens.

From January to end of june 2008 a total of 53 new work permits were issued to nigerians.

During the same period 742 nigerians were newly registered for social welfare benefits.

From mid june 2000 to 2007 a total of 22,289 nigerians registered for social welfare benefits.

fewer than 500 nigerians were granted work permits and of june last year 133 nigerians in total were granted refugee status.


clearly there is industial scale social welfare fraud by nigerians.

[Oppenheimer]

Non-National means Non Irish National (The Irish being implied). It's meaning is perfectly clear to any intelligent person. They could also be refereed to as Foreigners or (to use a descriptive Americanism) Aliens.

There is no way one cent of Irish Taxpayers money should ever have been paid to non-resident (and in many cases non-existant) children of non-nationals - It is an absolute DISGRACE ! .

Is it ok to pay it for non-resident children of nationals?

[joel]

It reminds me of the 80's and early 90's when I was working in the UK (no work in Ireland ). The Irish were working and signing on at the same time, we though it was a great laugh. The boss would even let you off work to go and sign on. I knew one guy from Edenderry, he had 11 claims going.


That was during the "loadsa money" Harry Enfield era. I suppose its ok to rip off other countries, but not to get ripped off yourself, it looks like we are getting a taste of our own medicine BOO HISS. :mrgreen:

Hang about, idiot, who said it WAS acceptable?

[politicsisrotten]

This just goes to show we have a bunch of moron's running the system.

[Norfolk Enchants]

On a sampling of 2000 new claimants they found that 10% were claiming while not living in the country i.e. fraud. Also an earlier sampling of Children's Allowance found an 800% greater incidence of fraud among non-nationals - the fraud level among non-nationals was 13% compared to circa 1.5% among Irish nationals. I have no doubt that the 10% frauduantly claiming dole were predominantly East Europeans.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fro ... 92868.html

YOU ARE A RACIST, pure and simple, your wild assumptions point 100% to this conclusion.

I posted on this same topic without your Racist overtones and scum grabbing anti-Eastern European headline. It is generally people of very low IQ that blame others for their own economic ails. Now why don't you get back to shovelling the cow sh!te.

viewtopic.php?f=88&t=38818&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I just had a little d!ck PD suggest that I must be unemployed because I'm against making them queue, that is the type of moron that should make it a long way in politics in this country.

You are being unfair to Kerrynorth what is racist about stating facts and links to those facts in this thread.

I am not being unfair to anyone. Here is the CORRECT story:

"THE GOVERNMENT is to scrap paying dole payments directly into claimants' bank accounts in an attempt to curb fraud by foreign and Irish workers who have quit Ireland for jobs abroad after losing their jobs here.

The racist overtones were added by Kerrynorth. He is a racist.

"East Europeans welfare fraud forces dole changes" his racist title is NOT based on ANY statistics only that HE has "no doubt that the 10% frauduantly[sic] claiming dole were predominantly East Europeans" Twisting "facts" to suit ones bigotry is a sure sign of a racist.

How about this: I have no doubt that 100% of the Irish nationals makng fraudulent claims are Kerry bogmen "Kerry Bogmen welfare fraud forces dole changes" there you go, just as valid!

[elfatih]

At last something is being done to stop these scams although a few more steps should be taken to stamp it out among our eastern europeans living here. However the measures announced dont stop eastern europeans whom have gone on the dole working for cash jobs, i think this is rife at the moment and has to be stopped.
Also childerns allowance being claimed here for kids living in their home countries should be paid at the same rate as the home country.

[Trampas]

Whats a non-national? someone in limbo with no citizenship? if they have no nationalities how could they be eastern Europeans? (stealing our welfare...which no Irish man or woman would dare do)

Get a life Universal because you clearly don't have one at the moment.

Universal makes a fair point.

No, he doesn't. He is talking absolute sh*te. Just find a few Irish people who should not be on welfare and that excuses the fact that thousands of East Europeans are ripping us off.