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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    Leaving aside the family planning issues, and focusing on the right of the retailer not to sell a product if they feel it is inappropriate.
    Also leaving aside any discrimination issues ie race, colour, creed.

    I would suggest that a retailer can refuse to sell a product to a person if they feel it is inappropriate.
    If the bicycle retailer sold an inappropriate bicycle to a child, who subsequently had an accident and led to a court case.
    Would the judge not suggest to the retailer that they had a choice in the sale and as the "expert" that they would be somewhat culpable?
    Your example involved selling the bike to a parent, not to a child - whether a child is competent to enter into certain transactions is another question. Insofar as the case is restricted to a parent, I'm still not sure that the retailer is entitled to refuse to supply (and no, I don't think a judge would have any business making such a suggestion). What, in principle, is the difference between discriminating against a class which contains ten thousand people and one which contains just a single person?

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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    Leaving aside the family planning issues, and focusing on the right of the retailer not to sell a product if they feel it is inappropriate.
    Also leaving aside any discrimination issues ie race, colour, creed.

    I would suggest that a retailer can refuse to sell a product to a person if they feel it is inappropriate.
    If the bicycle retailer sold an inappropriate bicycle to a child, who subsequently had an accident and led to a court case.
    Would the judge not suggest to the retailer that they had a choice in the sale and as the "expert" that they would be somewhat culpable?
    Your example involved selling the bike to a parent, not to a child - whether a child is competent to enter into certain transactions is another question. Insofar as the case is restricted to a parent, I'm still not sure that the retailer is entitled to refuse to supply (and no, I don't think a judge would have any business making such a suggestion). What, in principle, is the difference between discriminating against a class which contains ten thousand people and one which contains just a single person?
    OK, you sell knives, a 7 year old comes in with money for a carving knife. Would you sell it to them?

    It is not about discrimination. It is about ethics and appropriatness of the product you are selling.
    Pharmacists refuse to sell inappropriate products regularly. If I sold shoes I would not have to thinks about ethics.

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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

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    OK, you sell knives, a 7 year old comes in with money for a carving knife. Would you sell it to them?
    Probably not - but that's not the case we're discussing here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    It is not about discrimination. It is about ethics and appropriatness of the product you are selling.
    Pharmacists refuse to sell inappropriate products regularly. If I sold shoes I would not have to thinks about ethics.
    Some people think that condoms are inappropriate products for people who aren't married.

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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    OK, you sell knives, a 7 year old comes in with money for a carving knife. Would you sell it to them?
    Probably not - but that's not the case we're discussing here.
    Well lets get back to needles and junkies then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    It is not about discrimination. It is about ethics and appropriatness of the product you are selling.
    Pharmacists refuse to sell inappropriate products regularly. If I sold shoes I would not have to thinks about ethics.
    Some people think that condoms are inappropriate products for people who aren't married.
    I am not one of those people.

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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    It is not about discrimination. It is about ethics and appropriatness of the product you are selling.
    Pharmacists refuse to sell inappropriate products regularly. If I sold shoes I would not have to thinks about ethics.
    Some people think that condoms are inappropriate products for people who aren't married.
    I am not one of those people.
    I'd just as soon not take the chance, though.

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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

    No.
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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

    Quote Originally Posted by stringjack
    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    Quote Originally Posted by stringjack
    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    It is not about discrimination. It is about ethics and appropriatness of the product you are selling.
    Pharmacists refuse to sell inappropriate products regularly. If I sold shoes I would not have to thinks about ethics.
    Some people think that condoms are inappropriate products for people who aren't married.
    I am not one of those people.
    I'd just as soon not take the chance, though.
    Gosh darn it Stringjack, are we gonna have to get hitched?

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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

    No. Whatever minimises heroin use is the way to go, and my impression is that needle programmes wouldn't push use down. Counter-productive is the word!
    Marxists, Feminists and Leftists operate on the basis of "liberating tolerance" - i.e. their ideas should be tolerated, and any opposition should be suppressed.

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    Re: Give out clean needles free to Junkies.. y/n

    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    Gosh darn it Stringjack, are we gonna have to get hitched?
    Don't worry, once Lisbon passes pharmacists will be obliged to issue emergency wedding licences to anyone who asks.

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