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    hammer hammer is offline
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    I see my PRSI contributions as providing me with a State pension.

    NOTHING MORE. NOTHING LESS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Exactly.

    But it seems the more money we throw at the HSE the worse the accountability.

    Longer lists
    Longer wait times
    More scandals
    More nurses leaving
    "Let me explain the facts to you Claire".
    "I can't agree with that Sean".
    "If I could just say Pat".
    "Those figures do'nt stack up Miriam".
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    They all cover for each other as it is.
    That's quite the admission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prester Jim View Post
    I cannot get my head around their thinking here, how could they have thought that a voluntary disclosure policy would be better for patients? Is that not obviously just about avoiding it being a legal requirement to get medics off the hook.
    How come they managed to persuade our eminent politicians not to make it a legal requirement? What possible justification is there for that decision?
    It seems we need a cull of the DoJ and DoH/HSE, how long before we find similar screwed up thinking in other Depts?
    Good question. Here's what Holohan had to say today -

    "Dr Holohan said the characterisation of the Department of Health, his colleagues and himself in the media in recent days had been unfair. He said the Department of Health was was far from an organisation that was unwilling to seek proper disclosure to patients"

    How he can say this and not be challenged on the u turn on mandatory disclosure is beyond me. Who lobbied him and the DOH ? Why did they falsely claim the Madden Report recommended Voluntary Disclosure ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    I see my PRSI contributions as providing me with a State pension.

    NOTHING MORE. NOTHING LESS.
    I meant health levy. Which is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    They all cover for each other as it is.
    Leo, Simon & James, is it?
    Well, there's an admission. From the horse's mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barroso View Post
    Leo, Simon & James, is it?
    Well, there's an admission. From the horse's mouth.
    Well given both FF and FG voted on what they were told was in the Madden Report by the DOH rather then taking the time to read it, it appears the Minister for Health is largely irrelevant.
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    What Deirdre Madden said about Mandatory dosclosure on This week last Sunday;

    Quote Originally Posted by Noble Guardian View Post
    https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radio...72_13-05-2018_

    Her interview starts at 27-00 minutes
    The less than clear-cut issue of disclosure, which has been highlighted internationally (Australia in this particular case)

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    The factors impacting on clinicians' wariness on open disclosure are well described. This report is from Australia.

    https://www.surgery.umn.edu/sites/su...commission.pdf

    I'm not entirely sure it's fair to frame it as a "vested interests" story, or helpful to dismiss those fears out of hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruman View Post
    Well given both FF and FG voted on what they were told was in the Madden Report by the DOH rather then taking the time to read it, it appears the Minister for Health is largely irrelevant.

    He sounds very impotent.
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    It's quite clear that it's a case of the tail wagging the donkey & that MoH's past & present ain't in charge of the dept or their brief. Wouldn't surprise me if ministers were informed verbally with no note taking so to avoid any official record being created. Another tactic that's been known to be used to get around potential landmines if journos done a FOI.
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