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    Quote Originally Posted by londonpride View Post
    The question is. "where is this so called wisdom in the sky when these abortions are being carried out. The one who apparently demands sacrifice and penance from us of limited intellect who do not understand this all seeing all knowing God of unlimied powers. Where is this God that Christians and others saturate with prayers and wailings towards the sky to protect the infant life form as it is sucked towards death. Nowhere to be seen as usual.
    Good question.

    The answer has always been that whatever is done in this life, gets accounted for in the next life.
    So for example the person who takes the innocent life of another in this life, will atone for that in the next life.

    Of course one can reject that there is a next life, and that every single soul is immortal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SideysGhost View Post
    Ah yeah but at the minute it's mostly handbags-at-dawn cissy stuff. With a proper return to the Church's traditional feudal-fascist roots we could get some proper manly Game Of Thrones carnage going down in there.
    Feudal-Fascist roots? The fact that you would come up with such a term just goes to show how illiterate both you and those who thanked that post are as regards the history of ideas and political forms. Italian Fascism and German National Socialism were essentially "futurist" modernist movements, though Mussolini made a fragile peace with both the Monarchy and the Church he returned to his roots very quickly in the period of the Salo Republic when the political opportunity arose.

    Hitler's murder of Edgar Julius Jung in 1934 I think would illustrate his attitude to anything smacking of Feudalism, in fact that Nazis saw themselves as fulfilling the promises of 1848. Need less to say the NSADP attracted most of it's support either from theologically liberal Protestants or the Un-Churched and along with that showed a vicious hatred towards Catholicism in a manner similar to yourself and Lumpy.
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    Lumpy Talbot Lumpy Talbot is offline

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    Balls. Hiltler was a catholic and spent considerable effort in promoting an 'all-german' xtian church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    Balls. Hiltler was a catholic and spent considerable effort in promoting an 'all-german' xtian church.
    That must be why the Pope spent so much time undertook so much personal risk plotting to have him assassinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    Balls. Hiltler was a catholic and spent considerable effort in promoting an 'all-german' xtian church.
    The Reich's Church was made up of Liberal Protestant "Pastors" and happily went along with a lot of very far from Christian things. It was barely Christian at all (and yes I see Believing Protestants as very much Christian, though they exaggerate some Truths to the point where they come into conflict with others). Der Strummer was filled with the Anti-Catholic that we see daily here from yourself, Sidey and Cruimh; the Nazis did to the Church indeed what you three advocate-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_p...rch_in_Germany
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    Mm.



    Terrible when you get a cathedral in the background of your propaganda posters by accident isn't it?
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    Maybe the pope should have tasked a nun with the assassination of hitler. They were able to get close enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    Mm.



    Terrible when you get a cathedral in the background of your propaganda posters by accident isn't it?
    That is appealing to theologically Liberal Prods. The NSADP failed to win over the Catholic areas of Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratio Et Fides View Post
    That is appealing to theologically Liberal Prods. The NSADP failed to win over the Catholic areas of Germany.

    Hitler WAS a catholic area of Germany. One of his many paintings featuring catholic themes.



    You do know his mother was disappointed in that she wanted him to be a catholic priest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    Hitler WAS a catholic area of Germany. One of his many paintings featuring catholic themes.



    You do know his mother was disappointed in that she wanted him to be a catholic priest?
    The Vatican’s Complicity in Genocide in Fascist Croatia: The Suppressed Chapter of Holocaust History

    Fourteen years ago the U.S. Government de-classified the now famous “La Vista Report” of May 15, 1947, a top-secret U.S. Army Intelligence report documenting the Vatican’s role in aiding the escape of numerous high-ranking Nazi war criminals, among them Ante Pavelic, fascist leader of wartime Croatia; Franz Stangel, Commander of Treblinka; Eduard Roschmann, “the Butcher of Riga”; Klaus Barbie, “the Butcher of Lyon”; SS General Walter Rauff, inventor of the mobile gas truck; Adolf Eichmann, “architect of the Holocaust”; and tens of thousands of others. Writing about the document prior to its release, internationally renowned Nazi hunter Charles R. Allen Jr. noted that in light of the revelations contained in this and other classified documents about the role of the Vatican in the Holocaust it would be logical and proper that
    “A commission of inquiry into these concerns including Jewish and Catholic scholars ought to be established to locate and examine all documentation in all relevant archives so that collectively they may determine what role both the Vatican and US Intelligence played in aiding and abetting the escape of some of history’s most notorious murderers.”(1)

    First, some credit should be paid to those who have openly criticized the Vatican for its mendacity. To its credit CNN presented an interview with Israel’s Chef Rabbi, Meir Lau, who was forthright in his condemnation of this atrociously retrograde document and who focused attention on the actual historical role of Pope Pius XII, whom he called “an accomplice to Nazi murderers.”(5)
    There are many good reasons for this designation: Pius XII’s (then Eugenio Pacelli) efforts as Papal Nuncio in Germany were central to bringing Germany’s Catholic Center Party close to Nazism in the 1920’s, and then to cementing the agreement between the Vatican and Hitler known as the Concordat of 1933. Pacelli’s support for Hitlerism in its early stages is historical record, and preventing the disclosure of the full scope of this support is one of the reasons the Vatican will not open its archives from this period.
    The Croatian Catholic Church and the Vatican were directly involved in helping the fascist regime in Croatia carry out a triple genocide against Serbs, Jews and Romas from 1941 to 1945 in every possible way. By the time they were done, they had killed one million people. The Catholic Church assisted the Croatian fascists in every aspect of their murderous rule, from open political and financial support, to serving in their military units in every phase of the war, to serving in their government, to participating in arrests, expropriations, deportations, forced conversions and mass murders of racially persecuted peoples. Catholic Priests even served as concentration camp commanders in some of the worst death camps of World War II. And it was all done with the full knowledge and support of Pope Pius XII and the Vatican.(19)
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