Register to Comment
Page 161 of 218 FirstFirst ... 61 111 151159160161162163 171 211 ... LastLast
Results 1,601 to 1,610 of 2172
Like Tree558Likes
  1. #1601
    talkingshop talkingshop is offline
    talkingshop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    18,084

    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    So no - just being a pro-choice person who favours term limits but not extra-territorial criminalisation beyond those limits does not make someone a hypocrite - it would only make them a hypocrite if, like tonic and ger, they claimed (and trumpeted) their belief in the right to life of the unborn as a full, equal and absolute right like yours or mine.
    How convenient, lol.

    People who favour abortion outside certain time limits being a criminal offence, but don't wish to make it a crime for a woman to avail of such an abortion legally outside the jurisdiction (and that is the vast majority of people who would be pro-choice), are guilty of precisely the same "hypocrisy" that you are accusing pro-lifers of. Your attempt to add a condition about having claimed a "right to life" for the foetus after this time limit is risible.

    (And btw, we haven't interviewed all the people in the country who are pro-choice of varying degrees about why they want abortion to be criminal after X number of weeks; it may well be that the vast majority of these do believe the foetus has a right to life after this point).
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  2. #1602
    ger12 ger12 is offline
    ger12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    41,664

    Of note, there are three (very active) mods (very active) on this thread.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  3. #1603
    talkingshop talkingshop is offline
    talkingshop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    18,084

    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    Of note, there are three (very active) mods (very active) on this thread.
    Petaljam and Livingstone - who is the third?
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  4. #1604
    petaljam petaljam is offline
    petaljam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    19,124

    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    Of note, there are three (very active) mods (very active) on this thread.
    Kind of disproves the claim that your threads were being unfairly closed, then.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  5. #1605
    Calculusmadeeasy Calculusmadeeasy is online now
    Calculusmadeeasy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    15,423

    Quote Originally Posted by talkingshop View Post
    Petaljam and Livingstone - who is the third?
    Stringjam.....errr...jack.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  6. #1606
    petaljam petaljam is offline
    petaljam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    19,124

    Quote Originally Posted by talkingshop View Post
    Petaljam and Livingstone - who is the third?
    I don't know either but I'm sure Ger couldn't possibly be making stuff up.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  7. #1607
    ger12 ger12 is offline
    ger12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    41,664

    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    Repeating yourself doesn't make you right!

    You've not actually proved it, in fact you've had lots of evidence to the contrary, which you've mostly ignored, but which is there all the same.

    So in the absence of anything solid to back up your flight of fancy here, that line of discussion cant really go any further.
    What is there to say - you think something might happen, but you can't say exactly what you mean by that.

    For example, you refer to the possibility of a case that would lead to a "US abortion regime" : but could you explain what you mean by that? Because AFAIAA, there isn't one US regime, there are many. Due to its federal status. Are you suggesting that Ireland might have different abortion laws in different counties?
    No, no-one has disproved it and a number of pro choice posters agree.

    Mainland Europe operate a civil law system, Ireland like the U.S and the U.K. has a common law system (judge made law). If you remove Rights for a foetus/unborn baby from the constitution you can legislate all you want, as restricted as you want, it just won't guard against a successful constitutional challenge leading to what's described as abortion on demand.

    Any States that have tried to limit/restrict abortion have been subject to further successful Supreme Court challenges.
    Abortion rights advocates challenge restrictions in three U.S. states | Reuters

    The precedent has been set in relation to Privacy and Bodily Integrity, and a successful challenge would result in de facto abortion on demand.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  8. #1608
    ger12 ger12 is offline
    ger12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    41,664

    Quote Originally Posted by Calculusmadeeasy View Post
    Stringjam.....errr...jack.
    Mercurial, first page.

    Although not active like the the other two mods.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  9. #1609
    ger12 ger12 is offline
    ger12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    41,664

    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    Kind of disproves the claim that your threads were being unfairly closed, then.
    Nah.

    You closed that thread to close discussion and I suspect you might regret it now.

    What it does illustrate is the opinion and conviction of the most active mods on P.ie.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

  10. #1610
    livingstone livingstone is offline
    livingstone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    18,871

    Quote Originally Posted by talkingshop View Post
    How convenient, lol.
    Yes. I went back in time to define the word hypocrisy for a circumstance just like this...

    People who favour abortion outside certain time limits being a criminal offence, but don't wish to make it a crime for a woman to avail of such an abortion legally outside the jurisdiction (and that is the vast majority of people who would be pro-choice), are guilty of precisely the same "hypocrisy" that you are accusing pro-lifers of. Your attempt to add a condition about having claimed a "right to life" for the foetus after this time limit is risible.
    I've explained where my charge of hypocrisy comes from. It is grounded in claims of a right to life but not vindicating it in the same way as yours or mine.

    Someone who doesn't believe in an equal right to life (even if the oppose abortion on other grounds), by definition, can't be guilty of the same hypocrisy.

    Your position is akin to claiming someone who makes no claim to be an environmentalist and drives a gas guzzler must be guilty of the same hypocrisy as someone who does claim to be an environmentalist driving a gas guzzler.

    (And btw, we haven't interviewed all the people in the country who are pro-choice of varying degrees about why they want abortion to be criminal after X number of weeks; it may well be that the vast majority of these do believe the foetus has a right to life after this point).
    If that were the case, and those people didn't want to prosecute overseas abortions, then they would be guilty of the same hypocrisy.

    I've never encountered someone who fire that bill - and certainly not on this thread.
    Sign in or Register Now to reply

Sign in to CommentRegister to Comment