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Why is everything the fault of the nurses, with you?Originally Posted by qtman
Terrible.
Our immediate response should be to give Nurses a couple of extra hours off and a 10% pay increase.
Only removing staff from hospitals and diverting money away from patient care into wages for staff who are sitting at home can resolve this situation.
This isn't the first time you appear to lay the blame at the feet of the nurses.
Whats your agenda?
I mean, you appear to be opinioning that pay restraint and extra hours worked by the nurses will solve this.
What about HSE management?
Yeah ye're right - Im off the fags since Christmas Day - its going ok - but today! - well - if anybody pisses me off - I could be up for homicide by this evening!Deep breaths...I find that works...a good rant helps 2!
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So, they leave the patients on trollies deliberately? Is that what you are alleging? Or that they only intervene on debates when they want money?
they are making noises now because they are likely to take more industrial action in the near future.....public support is largely gone for them at this stage. We need to improve our health service, but we won't do it by filling the pockets of nurses.
Didn't the former German ambassador express amazement that Irish doctors offered 200k plus 40k bonus for a 39 hour week to work in the public service could refuse to accept such "mickey mouse money".
And if they reduce themselves to working for this crap we have to ask them if they have washed their hands.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
3rd month off the fags now and still chewing the nicorette and avoiding pubs.Im off the fags since Christmas Day - its going ok - but today! - well - if anybody pisses me off - I could be up for homicide by this evening!
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
That is just not true. The HSE have spun those quotes but the guy in question did not say that.
He said it was a "mickey mouse contract", not that the money was mickey mouse. He meant the fact that they'd have to liase with managers etc about patients was mickey mouse, but the HSE spun it in a way to annoy Joe Public. And it worked.
The difficulty of reforming the HSE and health service is symptomatic of difficulties in managing any public sector activity where vested professional interests and trade unions wield disproportionate influence and make it into a workers co-op. Governments can't introduce radical reform when necessary because that would require challenging the vested interests and incurring a serious risk of losing an election.God Yeah isnt it terrible ,terrible , terrible - yaddy yaddy yah
Whats the point? - outside my immediate sympathies for the patients directly affected - I really couldn't care less anymore about the shenanigans in our health services
Nobody from the HSE directors down to the Car park attendants give a damn about solving the issues that paralysise the Health Service here - its Me Feiner United in there - "its always somebody else fault and I want more money" is all you'll ever here out of the joint.
And it doesn't matter who sits behind the desk of Minister of Health - Fine Gael and Labour would be struggling to do any better. The Electorate want their cake and they want to eat it with High cholestrol cream on top too - They want things to get better ,yet the moment any proposal is made to change things - they collectively ************************e themselves and start giving out about loss of services and unemployment in their immediate locale - and with our finely tuned electoral system - its suicide for anybody to consider doing something constructive.
We have the health service we deserve - Given the amount of giving out on the doorstep about the state of the Health Service and the last government at the last election - FG should have won all 166 seats in the Dail - but the electorate in general are a bunch of cowardly moaning self centred whinging bastards and dont deserve the vast majority of politicians of all hues who try and represent them and do some good.
Rant over - back to work
What could be done about this? Constitutional changes could help. First,Ireland could scrap proportional representation and elect strong single party governments like Britain's whose centralised power would be more than a match for vested interests. If government spending continues to increase as a percent of GNP,that might be a good idea,although it would diminish grassroots clientilist democracy beloved by the people.
Second, the number of TDs could be cut in half to create some distance between politicians and the people,who seem to regard TDs as messenger boys for the locality. Reducing their numbers has one important drawback,however: a large number of TDs is needed in order to find a few with some brains,according to the latec C J Haughey!
Neither of these constitutional changes is remotely likely in the foreseeable future,so the government will just continue muddling through like many or even most democracies.
An alternative solution to government ineptitude is privatisation,but there are limits to what privatisation can achieve in medical care: it is easy to make huge profits at the expense of patient care as American insurers demonstrate. So a trend to privatisation should be accompanied by draconian regulation and aggressive inspection eg the private nursing home industry. As well, the civil service may be on a steep learning curve in negotiating privatisation contracts,witness the bilking of the UK government for billions by large IT contractors.
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