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    so nothing in the irish times today about it...
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    Paul Cullen was surprised that the legislation was not up and running. Well I am surprised he was not aware of that. The first source is the legislation itself - read it and you will see that there is a reference to a commencement order. If he was in any doubt he should have rang the department of health of the govt press office.

    Finally the IT has made an error and it should 'fess up' and move on. And Paul might be more suited to 'lighter' journalistic work.

    And finally,finally there is obviously a sub-editor, editor deficit in the IT. The rush to print in a competitive environment can lead to errors and it requires careful monitoring in the digital age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cogar View Post
    Paul Cullen was surprised that the legislation was not up and running. Well I am surprised he was not aware of that. The first source is the legislation itself - read it and you will see that there is a reference to a commencement order. If he was in any doubt he should have rang the department of health of the govt press office.

    Finally the IT has made an error and it should 'fess up' and move on. And Paul might be more suited to 'lighter' journalistic work.

    And finally,finally there is obviously a sub-editor, editor deficit in the IT. The rush to print in a competitive environment can lead to errors and it requires careful monitoring in the digital age.

    It suited their agenda, so they printed it. "Never let the facts interfere with a good story".

    What did you expect from the Irish Times? Good journalism?
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    Odyessus: yes I did expect good journalism from the IT. One must make a distinction between FACT and COMMENT - facts are sacred, comment is free. The IT has NO obligation to be fair, impartial or balanced but its facts must be true.

    The iT has every right to have an agenda. But when it reports things as facts that are untrue they undermine their case.
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    An apology to the Hospital (only) is in the Times print edition today.

    Cannot see it on their website where the false story lead the page and then went global.

    This is not getting better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    An apology to the Hospital (only) is in the Times print edition today.

    Cannot see it on their website where the false story lead the page and then went global.

    This is not getting better.
    It must have killed them to put an apology in

    Poor Kitty must be raging. She'll have to find another tragedy to hijack to ease her discomfort...
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    “Even before the passage of the legislation, Holles Street would have carried out terminations in cases like this, where the prognosis for the pregnancy was very poor,” a senior hospital source said last night.
    First abortion carried out under new legislation - Health News | Irish Medical News | The Irish Times - Fri, Aug 23, 2013
    That's interesting. Dr Boylan has stated that wasn't the case where there was a poor prognosis.

    Dr Peter Boylan and Breda O’Brien: The Transcript | Broadsheet.ie
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    "Dr Boylan was forthright about how unhelpful the law on abortion is when an obstetrician is dealing with a case such as Savita’s. He referred to a legal vacuum that hampers a consultant’s professional practice. It is clearly his view that without the legal and ethical constraints that doctors must work under, Ms Halappanavar could have been offered a termination on either the Monday or Tuesday of her admission and that this could have saved her life."

    Boylan evidence brings further clarity to events in death of Savita Halappanavar - Health News | Irish Medical News | The Irish Times - Thu, Apr 18, 2013

    Boylan: “Yes. By the time a termination became legally realistic prospect, she was becoming seriously ill. And even if they’d started a termination on the morning of the Wednesday that it was too late at that stage. I did identify a number of deficiencies in the care but none of them individually contributed to her death, in my opinion. And, the question of a surgical termination was brought up in some of the media, during the course of discussions since the finish of the inquest. And I don’t want to be graphic about what a surgical termination means at 17 weeks for the live foetus but there’s a very high likelihood that she would have died as a consequence of having had a surgical termination at that stage because…”

    Boylan: “The clinical circumstances in which she was, with ruptured membranes at 17 weeks, the chances of survival for that baby were absolutely very small, less than 10%. There are incidences however, well-recognised in this country and internationally where babies in those circumstances can survive. They get to 34 weeks maybe or even later…”

    Boylan: “She was 17. Yes but a pregnancy, even with ruptured membranes, can continue. It’s highly unlikely. It’s not inevitable that she would have a miscarriage. Now what would have happened in another country is that on the ward round, when she ruptured her membranes, the dismal outlook for the baby would have been discussed with her. And her input into the management, and her husband’s input into the management, would have been taken into account. We can’t do that here."

    Dr Peter Boylan and Breda O’Brien: The Transcript | Broadsheet.ie

    Yet they do

    “Even before the passage of the legislation, Holles Street would have carried out terminations in cases like this, where the prognosis for the pregnancy was very poor,” a senior hospital source said last night.
    Sorry. Still don't see this contradiction you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    Sorry. Still don't see this contradiction you're talking about.
    "Boylan: “She was 17. Yes but a pregnancy, even with ruptured membranes, can continue. It’s highly unlikely. It’s not inevitable that she would have a miscarriage. Now what would have happened in another country is that on the ward round, when she ruptured her membranes, the dismal outlook for the baby would have been discussed with her. And her input into the management, and her husband’s input into the management, would have been taken into account. We can’t do that here."

    Yet they do according to Holles St as reported in the IT when they clarified their incorrect story.

    "In this case, after the woman’s membranes were ruptured for almost 24 hours and the risk of infection increased dramatically, she and her partner agreed to the procedure after discussions with doctors at the hospital. The twin foetuses had no chance of survival after being born at under 18 weeks."

    “Even before the passage of the legislation, Holles Street would have carried out terminations in cases like this, where the prognosis for the pregnancy was very poor,” a senior hospital source said last night".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    "Boylan: “She was 17. Yes but a pregnancy, even with ruptured membranes, can continue. It’s highly unlikely. It’s not inevitable that she would have a miscarriage. Now what would have happened in another country is that on the ward round, when she ruptured her membranes, the dismal outlook for the baby would have been discussed with her. And her input into the management, and her husband’s input into the management, would have been taken into account. We can’t do that here."

    Yet they do according to Holles St as reported in the IT when they clarified their incorrect story.

    "In this case, after the woman’s membranes were ruptured for almost 24 hours and the risk of infection increased dramatically, she and her partner agreed to the procedure after discussions with doctors at the hospital. The twin foetuses had no chance of survival after being born at under 18 weeks."

    “Even before the passage of the legislation, Holles Street would have carried out terminations in cases like this, where the prognosis for the pregnancy was very poor,” a senior hospital source said last night".
    Curious eh ...
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