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    Quote Originally Posted by wexfordman View Post
    Sorry Astral, but food safety is compromised when an ingredient from an unknown source is added. The adding of this horsemeat means the food is unsafe as we have no idea where it came from and what it's history is.
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    No, horsemeat is not an unsafe compound/foodstuff, inter alia.

    It's origin may be problematic, but it is not of itself unsafe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Old Woman View Post
    They are busy fools making rules - A small band of people have beening complaining that EU legislation creates rules but no means of proper regulation. They have been branded cranks by our pro european colleagues. We must as a nation be able to be critical of Europe and be listened to as well as acknowledge the good.


    Tell me who is responisble for testing product that has "free movement" within the EU.? We allow food as we do people freely move through out the EU - the standards and regulations are not the same in each member state. Thus our argicultural sector who have worked extremely hard to create a superior product is open to "attack" because of factors out-side their control.

    A UK supplier actively seeks sales of an MNC seeking to supply UK mainland, NI and the Republic. They offer the MNC up to 25% of sterling trade prices for all their business in each jurisdiction. In the case of the goods for Ireland in many cases the supplier ships the goods for the MNC giving rise to a cash saving on warehousing and admin of 10%. The UK supplier then invoices the UK HO of the MNC in sterling exempt of vat. This gives rise to a substantial cash flow advantage to the UK MNC. The HO if the UK MNC then re-invoices the goods to its Irish operatrion exempt of vat, there is no requirement to apply the sterling trade price list, they can add profit or excessive exchange rate charges - all legal except the irish EU citizen is not getting the same competitive pricing as its UK EU citizen. This is a legal "rip off" of the irish public, our TD's our Minister's and our MEP's should be ashamed of themselves.

    Tell me when the Irish consumer is eating product supplied into this country in this manner whoes standards are being applied? and who is monitoring it given that our Revenue permit financial regulation 8 which allows MNC to avail of the option not to disclose intra group transactions?

    Of course TCA would have investigated this in part when they were required to explain the pricing differences between NI and the Republic in these MNC stores -

    Silly me - matters pertaining to vat are not part of the remit of TCA - so they produced a report that did not deal with how a substantial portion of product enters this country. - that would then be an incomplete fully informed report.

    In the real world people are sacked for that.
    There are a lot of acronyms in this post and I have no idea what some of them mean!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    Beef or Salmon seems a bit of an ironic name now.

    Maybe BIM should be checking out what passes off as fish these days.
    Yeah, probably all Seahorses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Have they checked the Fish Fingers?
    A load of ould cod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astral Peaks View Post
    No, horsemeat is not an unsafe compound/foodstuff, inter alia.

    It's origin may be problematic, but it is not of itself unsafe.
    Horsemeat can be unsafe if the horse was injected with phenylbutazone. [an NSAID suitable only for animals] But deemed dangerous to human health. Phenylbutazone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Horsemeat and Drugs | Habitat For Horses | Horse Rescue | Adopt a Horse
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    Horsemeat can be unsafe if the horse was injected with phenylbutazone. [an NSAID suitable only for animals] But deemed dangerous to human health. Phenylbutazone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Horsemeat and Drugs | Habitat For Horses | Horse Rescue | Adopt a Horse
    Exactly, it is not unsafe of itself.
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    People are missing the whole point here. The FSA and the FSAI were aware for some time that there were questions about horses of questionable origin being slaughtered and/or being exported for slaughter to UK abattoirs for use in the food chain and both authorities failed to act on the information that they were given by the USPCA. In fact, the CEO of the USPCA was told that the UK authorities couldn't act on the specific information about Irish horses being exported for slaughter in UK abattoirs until after the Olympics. In other words, the FSA and the FSAI are complicit by their non-action!
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    Quote Originally Posted by damus View Post
    People are missing the whole point here. The FSA and the FSAI were aware for some time that there were questions about horses of questionable origin being slaughtered and/or being exported for slaughter to UK abattoirs for use in the food chain and both authorities failed to act on the information that they were given by the USPCA. In fact, the CEO of the USPCA was told that the UK authorities couldn't act on the specific information about Irish horses being exported for slaughter in UK abattoirs until after the Olympics. In other words, the FSA and the FSAI are complicit by their non-action!
    There is one more important question: Why do the UK authorities think there a health risk but the irish don't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astral Peaks View Post
    Exactly, it is not unsafe of itself.
    Apparantly there is a load of chemicals regularly injected into horse that are unsafe for humans. A lot of this horsemeat is imported from the USA to europe [25000 tons apprx p/a] where there is little control on what has been injected into the slaughtered animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boggle View Post
    There is one more important question: Why do the UK authorities think there a health risk but the irish don't?
    Good question. It may depend on the quantity as only trace elements may not be particularly harmful. Anything bigger seems certainly harmful and after reading this excellent link I m quite concerned
    Horsemeat and Drugs | Habitat For Horses | Horse Rescue | Adopt a Horse
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