End Fluoridation, Say 500 Physicians, Dentists, Scientists.

[soubresauts]

i believe the UN and WHO amongst others, say that the fluoridation of water is safe

The UN? See what Unicef says -- here.

The WHO? The unfortunate fact is that the WHO's behaviour in relation to fluoridation has been unscientific and unethical for the last 50 years. See my paper here, and see Barry Groves' book "Fluoride" (published in Dublin, incidentally).

All the other links you give are for organizations who take their lead from the WHO and the fluoride fraudsters in Washington; for the full background, see Christopher Bryson's book "The Fluoride Deception". It's all there in black and white, in U.S. Government documents.

[zakalwe]

i believe the UN and WHO amongst others, say that the fluoridation of water is safe

The UN? See what Unicef says -- here.

The WHO? The unfortunate fact is that the WHO's behaviour in relation to fluoridation has been unscientific and unethical for the last 50 years. See my paper here, and see Barry Groves' book "Fluoride" (published in Dublin, incidentally).

All the other links you give are for organizations who take their lead from the WHO and the fluoride fraudsters in Washington; for the full background, see Christopher Bryson's book "The Fluoride Deception". It's all there in black and white, in U.S. Government documents.

the UNICEF paper is about naturally occuring excess fluoridation in groundwater. not added fluoride to drinking water to prevent cavities. are the two types chemically identical? it sets out the "optimal fluoride concentration" in water. is ireland above that level?

yes. the who. the evil b*st*rds who are actually fluoride producers looking to peddle their product. its not an internationally recognised authority on health and medical matters nor is it the only true global medical organisation.

[zakalwe]

are you also alleging that canada, uk, australia and nz are all part of the fluoride conspiracy?
that the british medical association, with published studies and statistics in the link, forged these studies (proving no link between fluoride and cancer etc) which are available for vigorous peer review?

[zuton]

are you also alleging that canada, uk, australia and nz are all part of the fluoride conspiracy?

why not?

[zakalwe]

my rule of thumb is:

take information provided by advocacy groups with a pinch of (fluoridated) salt.

take information from established and recognised bodies of qualified experts who publish their sources/methodology/studies etc for peer review as materially correct.

[zakalwe]

are you also alleging that canada, uk, australia and nz are all part of the fluoride conspiracy?

why not?

because the chance of all those democratic western countries with a free press and educated health professionals being out to harm its citizens and get away with it, is far far less likely than the small minority of people apposed to water fluoridation being right.

[soubresauts]

zakalwe, like you, I look favourably on "information from established and recognised bodies of qualified experts who publish their sources/methodology/studies etc for peer review".

The trouble is that there has been no medical research on the effects of 43 years of fluoridation of the Irish population; not one study!

The only Irish research has been dental studies carried out by the dentist academics Clarkson, O'Mullane, Whelton and their acolytes, whose reputations are totally dependent on fluoridation continuing. They also control the Expert Body on Fluorides and Health, the statutory agency set up by Micheál Martin to keep Irish fluoridation going.

Despite its title, the Expert Body has no fluoride experts.

So... no experts, and no medical studies. Not a sound basis for fluoridating the whole Irish population, is it?

We need politicians who'll tell these white coats where to get off. John Gormley, the only TD with expertise on fluoridation, promised to be the one to do it. Apparently he doesn't want to know now...

[zakalwe]

ok, you have a valid point there about ireland not being prudent and checking that its people's safety is not compromised. and the greens have done quite a few volte face's since they've gone into power.

but are studies on the effects of fluoridated water on humans in britian not applicable to humans in ireland?

[soubresauts]

... but are studies on the effects of fluoridated water on humans in britian not applicable to humans in ireland?

They would be -- if they were proper scientific studies. The unfortunate fact is that there haven't been any good studies in Britain either, apart from the York Review, which (though itself flawed -- see here) was very clear about the lack of good science on fluoridation.

The fact is: there is no good science behind fluoridation.

You can't find even one study!

[NWO_Buster]

Water fluoridation was developed in the Gulags under Stalin. He found the inmates only needed a quarter of the number of guards to watch them when their drinking water had been fluoridated.