End Fluoridation, Say 500 Physicians, Dentists, Scientists.

[Akrasia]

Flouridation is part of the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

[The Word Of Truth]

Out of the many thousands of physicians, dentists and scientists, they could muster 500 signatures of agreement? Do you always believe the minority on science issues?

I work in a Council in the Water Dept. The water is of a high standard and fluordation is properly measured to ensure levels are safe.

Gosimon- Can you tell us what the levels are in your area and if they would be the same nationally, or does each area set its own limit?

Each area does not set its own limits, they are set by statute and were revised in early '07, see attached link below.

http://www.dohc.ie/legislation/statutor ... 070042.pdf

[HP]

Thank you Word of truth.

So between 0.6 and 0.8mg per litre.

[HP]

Here is a snippet an interesting article from the BMJ in 2000 when Ireland was considering relaxing the compulsory fluoridation of the water supply.

"Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland banned water fluoridation during the 1970s and 1980s because not enough was known about the long term health effects. In 1975, Germany rejected the practice as "foreign to nature, unnecessary, inefficient, irresponsible and harmful to the environment." A year later, the Dutch rewrote their constitution to outlaw fluoridation. France's chief of public health declared in 1980 that fluoridation was "too dangerous."

In the United Kingdom, the practice is permitted rather than required, but only about 10% of drinking water is fluoridated. In 1996, 25 of 26 councils in Northern Ireland voted against fluoridating their drinking water. In the Republic of Ireland, when Dublin City Council and the county councils in Donegal and Sligo voted last year to suspend fluoridation in their regions on safety grounds, they were overruled by the Department of Health. "



Wonder what the levels were back then.

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"Ireland is now almost the only country in the European Union to insist on mandatory fluoridation of piped water supplies. Fluoridation was introduced in 1963, and the Department of Health says that rates of dental decay have since been reduced by 70% During the same period, however, fluoridation has been stopped by other European countries because some studies have suggested that it was associated with environmental and health problems, or because not enough was known about long term effects. Experts, however, remain divided over epidemiological research that has suggested that water fluoridation might be linked to osteoporosis, dental fluorosis, irritable bowel syndrome, and other health problems. Equally, they are divided over studies that suggest there is no association."


http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/320/7249/1560

[Coles]

Out of the many thousands of physicians, dentists and scientists, they could muster 500 signatures of agreement? Do you always believe the minority on science issues?

I work in a Council in the Water Dept. The water is of a high standard and fluordation is properly measured to ensure levels are safe.

Bull.

[soubresauts]

Fluoridation is contrary to fundamental medical principles, including:

* Hippocratic oath -- First, do no harm. (But dental fluorosis is health damage.)

* Principle of informed consent -- The patient has the right to refuse medication; no ifs or buts.

* Modern toxicology -- Toxicologist Prof Vyvyan Howard (UU Coleraine), newly elected President of the International Society of Doctors for the Environment, says: "I'm against fluoridation: it's a ridiculous idea, based on very bad science."

* Modern pharmacology -- Dr Arvid Carlsson, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine (2000), says: "Fluoridation is against all principles of modern pharmacology. It's really obsolete."

* Modern endocrinology -- Fluoride "is an endocrine disruptor", according to America's highest scientific authority, the National Research Council (2006 report).

There is not one Irish medical doctor who's prepared to defend fluoridation in public debate. The last doctor who "defended" fluoridation in public was Dr Shane Allwright (epidemiologist, senior lecturer in community medicine, TCD) on the Pat Kenny radio show all of ten years ago. Kenny gave her an easy ride, and there was no outcry. But no Irish journalist has ever seriously investigated the scandal of fluoridation.

Many Irish politicians (from all parties) have spoken against fluoridation, but none as cabinet ministers. John Gormley is the latest, and most egregious, example. See
here.

The Irish Government follows an unwritten rule that fluoridation must be kept going at all costs. It is utterly unscientific, unhealthy, and unjust.

And the Irish people go on drinking their fluoride, willy-nilly, all day, every day.

[floatingvote]

My God, 600 professionals say it's bad - that's out of what, several hundred thousand of them?

[soubresauts]

My God, 600 professionals say it's bad - that's out of what, several hundred thousand of them?

That's very shortsighted of you. The movement to sign up professionals has just started. See here.

Can you find one medical doctor who'll defend fluoridation?

[zakalwe]

i believe the UN and WHO amongst others, say that the fluoridation of water is safe

CDC in the US

National Cancer Institute (US)

British Medical Association

Dept of Health South Africa

British Columbia

Queensland

[floatingvote]

My God, 600 professionals say it's bad - that's out of what, several hundred thousand of them?

How stupid can you get? The movement to sign up professionals has just started. See here.

Can you find one medical doctor who'll defend fluoridation?

It's just started eh and they've managed to sign up 600 already, gees, maybe I should have a rethink as that's like, really, really impressive.
As for finding one medical doctor who defends fluoridation, the only doctors I have ever discussed this with are strongly in favour.
Btw, it's probably better not to infer stupidity just because someone has a contrary viewpoint.