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    Abortion counselling advice endangering the lives of Irish women

    Revealed: the abortion advice that could put lives at risk - National News - Independent.ie


    It has emerged in a an article in todays Irish Independent that illegal advice being given to women on abortion is seriously endangering their lives.

    In some cases women were told to hide having an abortion from her GP:

    In several instances, women were told to hide their abortions from their doctors, a course of action that could endanger life if post-surgery abortion complications remain undiagnosed.

    A small percentage of women suffer perforation of the womb following terminations, which can remain undetected but can cause problems in later pregnancies.
    Professor Sam Coulter Smith, the master of Dublin'sRotunda Hospital, has warned.
    He said he was aware of cases where women have died because they did not tell their doctors they'd had a termination.
    In another case women were told about importing illegal abortion pills from Northern Ireland, pills which if taken without medical supervision could cause the death of the women:

    At the Tallaght and Cork branches of the IFPA, women were told how to get an abortion pill, which is illegal here, by smuggling it into the State through Northern Ireland.

    The HSE has confirmed that crisis pregnancy counsellors should not provide information on how to get the abortion pill.
    The pills induce an abortion by causing a miscarriage. They should only be taken under medical supervision because they can cause bleeding, severe infection or, in rare instances, death.
    A qualified barrister who is also a medical doctor has described it as negligent and even possibly criminal:

    Dr Simon Mills, a barrister and medical doctor, said: "It is definitely reckless and probably negligent advice to tell a woman to conceal from doctors something that may be a vital part of her medical history.

    "This is especially the case if she presented unwell in the immediate aftermath of a termination and felt that she shouldn't tell her doctor about it when it could be the key piece of information to deliver prompt and life-saving treatment.

    "If somebody turned around and said the reason I didn't tell my doctor was because a counsellor told me it wasn't necessary, civil liability would almost certainly arise and I think it is possible that criminal liability could too."
    The silence on this from many of those campaigning for abortion on the grounds of women’s health issues is deafening. One has to wonder how this was allowed to happen and why it took an investigation by a pro-life group to expose it. It would seem that some of those giving this advice who one would presume are pro-choice (if they weren't it would be hard to envisage them giving such advice) were not taking the medical well being of the woman’s health into full account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tea Party Patriot View Post
    The silence on this from many of those campaigning for abortion on the grounds of women’s health issues is deafening. One has to wonder how this was allowed to happen and why it took an investigation by a pro-life group to expose it. It would seem that some of those giving this advice who one would presume are pro-choice (if they weren't it would be hard to envisage them giving such advice) were not taking the medical well being of the woman’s health into full account.

    Are you surprised TPP? The pro-abortionists possess the same swivel-eyed zealotry as Jihadists. The woman is a pawn in a great game.
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    If abortion was legalised and regulated - as it should - this issue would never have arisen.
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    It would appear that the concealment of an abortion is the main danger.

    Why should a woman feel compelled to hide that part of her medical history other than because of the poisonous associations with termination which are fed by the anti-abortion side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    It would appear that the concealment of an abortion is the main danger.

    Why should a woman feel compelled to hide that part of her medical history other than because of the poisonous associations with termination which are fed by the anti-abortion side?
    They were being told to hide the fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thady Quill View Post
    If abortion was legalised and regulated - as it should - this issue would never have arisen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    It would appear that the concealment of an abortion is the main danger.

    Why should a woman feel compelled to hide that part of her medical history other than because of the poisonous associations with termination which are fed by the anti-abortion side?
    As Clanrickard pointed out above they were being told to hide it, one wonders if abortion was legal in Ireland would people who would still provide such advice be routed out by the HSE? After all only for the investigation of a pro-life group this may have never come to light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tea Party Patriot View Post
    Revealed: the abortion advice that could put lives at risk - National News - Independent.ie


    It has emerged in a an article in todays Irish Independent that illegal advice being given to women on abortion is seriously endangering their lives.

    In some cases women were told to hide having an abortion from her GP:





    In another case women were told about importing illegal abortion pills from Northern Ireland, pills which if taken without medical supervision could cause the death of the women:



    A qualified barrister who is also a medical doctor has described it as negligent and even possibly criminal:



    The silence on this from many of those campaigning for abortion on the grounds of women’s health issues is deafening. One has to wonder how this was allowed to happen and why it took an investigation by a pro-life group to expose it. It would seem that some of those giving this advice who one would presume are pro-choice (if they weren't it would be hard to envisage them giving such advice) were not taking the medical well being of the woman’s health into full account.
    Read that article myself but not in anyway surprised by the abortion lobby's carry on. It's an industry plain and simple. It also makes a nonsense of the idea that abortion can be regulated. Abortion information is supposed to be tightly regulated according to the 1995 act and the assurances of tight regulation got the yes vote in 1992. wha do we think will hapen if the likes of the IFPA are allowed to carry out abortions in the state under 'tight regulation'.
    Also makes a total nonsense about the 'welfare' of women. Abortion exists to cut the burden on public services by curbing the numbers of the poor and disabled otherwise the lefts greatest totem pole the 'free' public health service collapses. Similarly the welfare class that votes left in every election cannot be allowed grow too big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thady Quill View Post
    If abortion was legalised and regulated - as it should - this issue would never have arisen.
    Perhaps not, but it gives a very revealing insight into the mindset of the actors concerned - they are not giving impartial, independent, and medically ethical advice for the very reason that they see themselves as advocates for abortion, and the welfare of the mother clearly took second place in their minds to their mental checklist on 'getting away with it'.

    None of which matters - even if they were completely responsible and independent in their advice, which they clearly are not, abortion would still be utterly wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thady Quill View Post
    If abortion was legalised and regulated - as it should - this issue would never have arisen.
    How would the legalisation and regulation of abortion prevent the incompetence and gross negligence of counselling services which are already state-funded and regulated?

    That's like saying that a complete liberalisation of our laws on insider trading, derivatives etc. would have prevented the regulatory failures at the Central Bank.
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    sounds like entrapment by the fanatical so-called "pro lifers"
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