EDIT: Could a mod change the title to "The only private healthcare system in the developed world also best at saving lives"


US Vs. Western Europe and Canada Cancer Survival Rates « Riffenberg's Blog

So what is this, if not a vindication of the free marketeers? "Curing cancer" is often seen as one of "society"'s fundamental goals today. Yet it seems as if private companies in the USA are making quite good progress on that without the need for government interference. As you can see, Ireland's healthcare, like most things ran by the Irish government, is performing terribly. Similar poor performance is noted in other countries with socialised healthcare.

This is not a matter of greedy capitalists and money: millions of people die, who would otherwise survive if they were in a privatised healthcare system.

Many people say "America is great, but it won't be so pretty when you find yourself in need in healthcare"

Really? Looking at this chart, America looks like a nice place to get sick. I do value my life after all!

And before you talk about the cost: Americans spend a lot on healthcare because I) They are not particularly healthy and ii) they spend a lot on cosmetics. two factors completely unrelated to private vs socialised.

its too simplistic to call the US system a "free market" one

Originally Posted by Dylan2010

its too simplistic to call the US system a "free market" one

Elaborate. What would you attribute the higher survival rates to then?

Originally Posted by feedmelies

Elaborate. What would you attribute the higher survival rates to then?

If this purports to be a measure of the success of private healthcare then it should include a comparison of private healthcare v public healthcare in the U.S. as well as a comparison of private healthcare in the U.S. with private healthcare internationally and the same for public healthcare. It should, of course, also include a comparison of costs across these various systems. As it stands it is meaningless - as for the source

Originally Posted by Sailor

If this purports to be a measure of the success of private healthcare then it should include a comparison of private healthcare v public healthcare in the U.S. as well as a comparison of private healthcare in the U.S. with private healthcare internationally and the same for public healthcare. It should, of course, also include a comparison of costs across these various systems. As it stands it is meaningless - as for the source

What are you getting at? The US system is all private, with the government paying for private healthcare for certain people via medicair/medicaid. As for the source, you can go on google and easily verify it.

Where does America rank in healthcare quality and efficiency?
Posted on June 20, 2009
The assault on healthcare reform has begun. For the next three years, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, HMOs and other halthcare profiteers will spend billions in advertising and more billions in lobbying to convince us that we have the BEST healthcare system in the world and that reform will ruin our system. Nothing could be further from the truth. We have claimed a reputation for quality healthcare by deceit. We are not the best in the world; we are 37th on the list behind most EU countries with government-run simgle-payer universal healthcare.

Where does America rank in healthcare quality and efficiency? | SchneiderView

We clearly need to copy the US system.

Anybody preventing that is effectively causing people to die from cancer needlessly due to their ideological objections.

For Shame.

Originally Posted by PlanetBertie

Where does America rank in healthcare quality and efficiency?
Posted on June 20, 2009
The assault on healthcare reform has begun. For the next three years, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, HMOs and other halthcare profiteers will spend billions in advertising and more billions in lobbying to convince us that we have the BEST healthcare system in the world and that reform will ruin our system. Nothing could be further from the truth. We have claimed a reputation for quality healthcare by deceit. We are not the best in the world; we are 37th on the list behind most EU countries with government-run simgle-payer universal healthcare.

Where does America rank in healthcare quality and efficiency? | SchneiderView

That has nothing to do with QUALITY, only efficiency. I already dealt with cost in my post. Are you saying you would rather die than pay a bit extra?

What about those who can't pay, won't pay?

Originally Posted by feedmelies

Elaborate. What would you attribute the higher survival rates to then?

im just saying its not a "free market". Its very heavily regulated by the government for example the FDA , medical staff operate in a cartel like way via licencing. The sector receives all kinds of government subsidies also in the sister industry of pharmaceuticals you have the monopolistic gift of patents. The insurance industry that backs it up has also got out of control and has become too expensive.
One could probably say that the US health system was capatilistic a 100 years ago, now its crony capitalism