New Paedophile Priest Exposed

[beardyboy]

Given the fact that the overwhelming number of news stories regarding paedophile priests relate to Catholic paedophile priests it is hardly surprising that people would assume this to be another one.

the assumption reveals the mind set - there are plenty of other paedophile cases of other denominations - in fact in america the catholic cases are fewer than the Protestant ones

Regarding anti-catholicism, there is none of that here. There is criticism of the church as an institution but that does not equate to anti-catholicism.

I would say it does in this case as people use it as a stick to beat the Church - not because they are against the crime per se but because they are against the Church and any excuse to attack it for actions taken by individuals who are its members is utilised. The same people never come on to praise the likes of Fr Damien for example, or the Irish priest, Fr Shay Cullen, in the phillipines who has risked his own life to save children from peadophiles in manila (see here http://www.indcatholicnews.com/cullen.html) or Fr Flaherty who saved the Jews, to name a few Catholic heroes, but then that would not be "cool" or whatever.

Is it anti-Americanism to criticise Bush?
Is it racism to criticise the corruption of the Nigerian government?

No. And neither is it anti-catholicism to criticise the appaling behaviour of the hierarchy in dealing with this issue

It would be to extrapolate the criticism of bush to the entire American people or indeed all the Republican Party - and it would be revealed if someone mentioned something about an american politician would precipitate a rant about the slaughter of Iragi children, or indeed a mention about a Nigerian would incur an onslaught about the evils of the Nigerian government. As I say the answers reveal the mindset

[the king]

Religion is evil, look what it has done down through the ages, and dont give me ************************ about man!! That childs life is ruined.

[beardyboy]

Religion is evil, look what it has done down through the ages, and dont give me ************************ about man!! That childs life is ruined.

Your usual well reasoned argument

Is no religion evil?

[MichaelR]

I disagree - the replies were definitively anti-Catholic - there assumptions reveal their thinking - if they were not anti-Catholic they would have condemned the actions of the specific case not start unfounded and as it turned out erroneous anti_Catholic rants - in fact one poster said that the catholic church should do as the protestant churches do. He was revealing himself.

I was presuming an Irish context, this being an Irish site. In an English (Russian, American, etc) context it's different.

In general, churches that are close to the state are rightfully assumed to be evildoers. This evil collusion (and I use the term intentionally) seems to have been started by the Popes, but carried on by some of the Orthodox and Protestants as well. I wonder if there were paedophile cases in pre-1972 NI Protestantism as well - logic would point to the possibility.

Two requirements exist for avoiding this evil - disestablishment and transparency. I submit that no church that either has enclosed structures of its own, or is colluding with the state, will ever be free of abuse.

[beardyboy]

I disagree - the replies were definitively anti-Catholic - there assumptions reveal their thinking - if they were not anti-Catholic they would have condemned the actions of the specific case not start unfounded and as it turned out erroneous anti_Catholic rants - in fact one poster said that the catholic church should do as the protestant churches do. He was revealing himself.

I was presuming an Irish context, this being an Irish site. In an English (Russian, American, etc) context it's different.

In general, churches that are close to the state are rightfully assumed to be evildoers. This evil collusion (and I use the term intentionally) seems to have been started by the Popes, but carried on by some of the Orthodox and Protestants as well. I wonder if there were paedophile cases in pre-1972 NI Protestantism as well - logic would point to the possibility.

Two requirements exist for avoiding this evil - disestablishment and transparency. I submit that no church that either has enclosed structures of its own, or is colluding with the state, will ever be free of abuse.

Still does not cut the mustard - there are plenty of Protestant priests in Ireland - your assumption betrayed your mindset.

If you assert that Churches close to the government I cannot argue as it is a preposterous stance which is ridiculous in context and in any unbiased opinion. You may be able to argue a particular episode was evil but the entire church? the entire time? I would however go further than you in the last part of your statement by saying that any organisation, no matter how transparent will be free from abuse, this is due to the failings of the people within it. A true friend of the organisation will however be constantly on the guard for it. As we were warned

"Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: but I prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not" Luke 22:31,32.

1 Peter 5:8 “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.”