How can smoking in vehicles be banned?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Smoking in a car with children is abuse

No it isn't.

Its as big a risk as mobile phone use maybe more so.

Well since driving while using a mobile phone involves very little risk, who really cares. The fact is that statistically using a mobile phone is no more dangerous than using a handsfree kit or infact engaging in a deep conversation with a passenger while driving. Ban talking in cars? By all means, smoking is no more dangerous than a great number of activities car driver get up to.

1. It is dangerous driving.
2. It is a confined space.
3. Children have to be protected from delinquent parents.

1:No it isn't
2:so what?
3:Parents who smoke are delinquent now? Right well then take the children off them. If they are not fit to raise the child, in the view of the state and need protection, then they should taken into state care. We all know how capable that is.

Just saw Mary Lou McDonald, as a passenger, light up in a small car in Ballybough. Disgusting!(though on the upside the more she smokes the less of her voice the driver hears)

I'm confused, what's wrong with that? She's not EVEN F*CKING DRIVING. You insane weirdo.

[TropicalCandy]

The level of Avoidance, Denial and Delusion in Ireland has long gone past remotely sane levels, and now smells strongly of outright Panic.

Ban cigarettes from display in shops, ban the display of Codeine products, ban smokers from smoking in their own cars, lecture and hector and interfere in the most ridiculously trivial things you can find to avoid facing up to the corruption and insolvency of the State.

Those of us who have spent a good chunk of our working lives contracting or working in industries where companies tend to be unstable and short-lived (like IT) know a little secret, a major warning sign, a canary in the mine, for when a company has Gone Bad, the people in charge are floundering way out of their depth, and the end is essentially inevitable. It's the "mindlessly petty vindictiveness test", also known as the Stationary Cupboard Test.

Basically, the company is out of control and the management are clueless and frightened. They don't have the wit or the capability to actually analyse, understand and fix the real problems. Things are bad and the management know it, but they don't know what to do about it, because if they were intelligent and competent they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with! But they are Management ya see, and Management have to Do Something to assert their Authority and justify their positions. And so the petty vindictiveness ramps up a gear. They count the pencils in the stationary cupboard, they start monitoring toilet breaks or smoke breaks or people being 3 minutes late back from lunch, they announce there will no longer be tea or coffee available in the canteen.

All signs of sub-mediocre incompetents casting around for something, usually something trivial, that is within their limited abilities to comprehend and take action on, to make them feel in control while the ship sinks around them.

For about 18 months now almost everything emanating from the Republic, and almost all the threads on here or other Irish forums, has reminded me strongly of this.

The display bans baffled me, if you were using Solphadine as a refreshment drink (as many do, same way others use smokes, though its more harmful to use it that way in a shorter period than cigs) you're gonna just ask for it. If you want John Player Blue, you're gonna ask for it. What did they think were gonna happen? people would say ''oh DUH DUH DUH Cigs are not there anymore DUH DUH DUH gues i better give up smoking now DUH DUH DUH''


I am shocked that the Irish state seems so intent on meddling in our personal lives and making laws about our personal behaviour yet that supposed concern does not extent to providing free healthcare to the population like every other developed country.
The same state that makes it a criminal offence to put certain drugs into your body but whos services to break addiction are pathetic and services at harm reduction are even worse' (no safe injection sites, only one needle exchange which the HSE supplies but pretends it has nothing to do with...)

Its one thing to ban it in public spaces etc where you're affecting others, but in your own car or home...f1ck off and leave people alone.

[Watcher2]

The ban in cars is ridiculous and a result of some very bored and "interfering" types. Probably the type I see droping their kids off at school, parking across a very busy road and standing between lanes holding other small children. Its generally people who see the "wrong" others do, but rarely see their own wrongdoings.

As for the ban on cig displays, the thinking behind it is to try to curb new use of the products, not that current smokers will somehow think cigs are no longer available. If you believe in advertising then you have to agree with this move. Only time will tell I suppose.

[brughahaha]

The level of Avoidance, Denial and Delusion in Ireland has long gone past remotely sane levels, and now smells strongly of outright Panic.

Ban cigarettes from display in shops, ban the display of Codeine products, ban smokers from smoking in their own cars, lecture and hector and interfere in the most ridiculously trivial things you can find to avoid facing up to the corruption and insolvency of the State.

Those of us who have spent a good chunk of our working lives contracting or working in industries where companies tend to be unstable and short-lived (like IT) know a little secret, a major warning sign, a canary in the mine, for when a company has Gone Bad, the people in charge are floundering way out of their depth, and the end is essentially inevitable. It's the "mindlessly petty vindictiveness test", also known as the Stationary Cupboard Test.

Basically, the company is out of control and the management are clueless and frightened. They don't have the wit or the capability to actually analyse, understand and fix the real problems. Things are bad and the management know it, but they don't know what to do about it, because if they were intelligent and competent they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with! But they are Management ya see, and Management have to Do Something to assert their Authority and justify their positions. And so the petty vindictiveness ramps up a gear. They count the pencils in the stationary cupboard, they start monitoring toilet breaks or smoke breaks or people being 3 minutes late back from lunch, they announce there will no longer be tea or coffee available in the canteen.

All signs of sub-mediocre incompetents casting around for something, usually something trivial, that is within their limited abilities to comprehend and take action on, to make them feel in control while the ship sinks around them.

For about 18 months now almost everything emanating from the Republic, and almost all the threads on here or other Irish forums, has reminded me strongly of this.

Excellent post and would mirror my own experiences

[Irish&Annoyed]

Easy - put in a smoke detector which can trigger the airbags - it's difficult to look cool when your Marlboro has been mashed into your face....