Nurses Hold Up Opening of Maternity Hospital

[irishpeoplearewhingers]

It seems that the tail is wagging the dog again. In spite of the Labour Court recommending that nurses co-operate with the opening of a new maternity hospital in Cork, they are dragging their feet because they are concerned about patient safety and relocation money of 3000 to 5000 each. I wonder which issue they are more concerned about. At what stage did the provision of maternity services become less important than a few grand? Does this explain why in spite of record health spending, the levels of service have yet to seriously improve? It is a shame that a priveleged minority of greedy and overly protected workers can hold-up a service that could be the difference between a safe birth and tragedy. These people are employees and should be treated as such. Is it any wonder that people are going private?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0324/hospital.html?rss

If any proof was needed of the danger of such a situation, there is a rather sad report in the paper today about a woman who miscarried because she had to wait 2 days for a scan. Disgraceful.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/ ... e_id=15410

[FutureTaoiseach]

Typical of the greed that is endemic in much of the public-sector. The INO have decided that when it comes to a choice between the interests of the patients and of themselves, the latter wins. Angels of mercy? Nope. What about angels of death? It's the patients who will suffer.

[BarryW]

Nurses Hold Up Opening of Maternity Hospital

My God, those nurses are getting more and more militant



:wink:

[doheochai]

Typical of the greed that is endemic in much of the public-sector. The INO have decided that when it comes to a choice between the interests of the patients and of themselves, the latter wins. Angels of mercy? Nope. What about angels of death? :x It's the patients who will suffer.

And of course the 'entrepreneur' and the 'property investor' isn't in the least bit greedy - merely investing in the economy and providing 'well paid' jobs.

I can guarantee you that if you are every in hospital - you won't be calling nurses 'angels of death'!

[The Analyser]

It seems that the tail is wagging the dog again. In spite of the Labour Court recommending that nurses co-operate with the opening of a new maternity hospital in Cork, they are dragging their feet because they are concerned about patient safety and relocation money of 3000 to 5000 each. I wonder which issue they are more concerned about. At what stage did the provision of maternity services become less important than a few grand? Does this explain why in spite of record health spending, the levels of service have yet to seriously improve? It is a shame that a priveleged minority of greedy and overly protected workers can hold-up a service that could be the difference between a safe birth and tragedy. These people are employees and should be treated as such. Is it any wonder that people are going private?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0324/hospital.html?rss

If any proof was needed of the danger of such a situation, there is a rather sad report in the paper today about a woman who miscarried because she had to wait 2 days for a scan. Disgraceful.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/ ... e_id=15410

Absolute rubbish. The delay is caused by the HSE trying to sneak in untrained staff in among the complement of staff recommended for the hospital, and the professional staff saying 'no. That is dangerous'. The sort of staff here who are standing up to the arrogant HSE in their plush new offices, are the same types who reported the disgraceful antics of Neary in Our Lady of Lourdes in Drogheda. The HSE didn't do anything about him. The consultants didn't. They all protected him. It seems that the only people willing to defend patient safety are the employees on the front time. And the thanks they get is the sort of ignorant smears Whingers wrote.

Regarding the following bull************************

Does this explain why in spite of record health spending, the levels of service have yet to seriously improve? It is a shame that a priveleged minority of greedy and overly protected workers can hold-up a service that could be the difference between a safe birth and tragedy.

The HSE's special advisors, who did little more than sit on their arses in their plush new offices, earn on average 8 times more on overtime than the staff nurses earn in total every year. If want to save money then

- sell the HSE HQ and put it in some of the run-down hospitals it thinks are sufficient for staff and patents

- sack all the advisors with their ludicrous expense accounts

- cut Drumm's salary by two-thirds.

When you do that, then you can begin complaining about someone else's salary. The waste of public resources is going on though the money spent on outside consultants, managers, bureaucrats, new offices, setting up the HSE and paying ludicrous salaries to Drumm et al.

[irishpeoplearewhingers]

Typical of the greed that is endemic in much of the public-sector. The INO have decided that when it comes to a choice between the interests of the patients and of themselves, the latter wins. Angels of mercy? Nope. What about angels of death? It's the patients who will suffer.

And of course the 'entrepreneur' and the 'property investor' isn't in the least bit greedy - merely investing in the economy and providing 'well paid' jobs.

I can guarantee you that if you are every in hospital - you won't be calling nurses 'angels of death'!

Businessmen are openly trying to profit because that is what businesses do. Public services are not run for personal gain. That's why they are called services as opposed to businesses.

[The Analyser]

Typical of the greed that is endemic in much of the public-sector. The INO have decided that when it comes to a choice between the interests of the patients and of themselves, the latter wins. Angels of mercy? Nope. What about angels of death? It's the patients who will suffer.

And of course the 'entrepreneur' and the 'property investor' isn't in the least bit greedy - merely investing in the economy and providing 'well paid' jobs.

I can guarantee you that if you are every in hospital - you won't be calling nurses 'angels of death'!

Businessmen are openly trying to profit because that is what businesses do. Public services are not run for personal gain. That's why they are called services as opposed to businesses.

If you seriously think there is personal gain to be got on a nurse's salary you are living in cloudcuckooland. The only people who make money in the health service are the managers Harney, Martin and Drumm have flooded the health service with. Drumm and his personal group of advisors cream off millions in salaries and expenses.

[irishpeoplearewhingers]

Does this explain why in spite of record health spending, the levels of service have yet to seriously improve? It is a shame that a priveleged minority of greedy and overly protected workers can hold-up a service that could be the difference between a safe birth and tragedy.

The HSE's special advisors, who did little more than sit on their arses in their plush new offices, earn on average 8 times more on overtime than the staff nurses earn in total every year. If want to save money then

- sell the HSE HQ and put it in some of the run-down hospitals it thinks are sufficient for staff and patents

- sack all the advisors with their ludicrous expense accounts

- cut Drumm's salary by two-thirds.

When you do that, then you can begin complaining about someone else's salary. The waste of public resources is going on though the money spent on outside consultants, managers, bureaucrats, new offices, setting up the HSE and paying ludicrous salaries to Drumm et al.[/quote]

The Labour court saw nothing wrong with this and the consultants at the hospital had no qualms about staffing levels. This is about re-location money, that's all. As for the issue of advisors, I fail to see how this relates to the issue of the habitual blackmailing of the public. If there is too much money being spent on advisors and bureaucrats, this is not an argument for caving into everyone else's demands, it's an argument for cutting the amount of money spent on advisors and bureaucrats. I am glad to see that I am not the only one advocating tight financial controls in the health service.

[irishpeoplearewhingers]

Typical of the greed that is endemic in much of the public-sector. The INO have decided that when it comes to a choice between the interests of the patients and of themselves, the latter wins. Angels of mercy? Nope. What about angels of death? It's the patients who will suffer.

And of course the 'entrepreneur' and the 'property investor' isn't in the least bit greedy - merely investing in the economy and providing 'well paid' jobs.

I can guarantee you that if you are every in hospital - you won't be calling nurses 'angels of death'!

Businessmen are openly trying to profit because that is what businesses do. Public services are not run for personal gain. That's why they are called services as opposed to businesses.

If you seriously think there is personal gain to be got on a nurse's salary you are living in cloudcuckooland. The only people who make money in the health service are the managers Harney, Martin and Drumm have flooded the health service with. Drumm and his personal group of advisors cream off millions in salaries and expenses.

It is a well known fact that public service workers are paid at a premium to everyone else.

[doheochai]

Public services are not run for personal gain.

Those that work there are entitled to be paid a decent wage. If I'm in hospital I want a nurse that is well trained and well paid looking after me, not someone being threated like a yellow pack