Trolley Watch Figures

[Clanrickard]

If I may just say Clanrickard, that were you to sit for 24 or more hours beside a trolley that held your nearest and dearest, waiting for a bed to be freed up, you would not think the matter of shortage of staff, and closed wards, was an okay thing. You would be frightened, angry, bloody furious, not with the staff present, but with this bloody Government that has squandered millions on their cronies and encouraged outright robbery of the tax payers. Look at the Port Authority expense figures. Read today's Indo. That article is enough to put anyone on a hospital trolley.

I don't deny any of what you said. The reality is that very very few people spend 24 hours on a hospital trolley. Usually it is a couple of hours until a bed is free. The INO and their lefty public service lick spittles in the media are giving the impression that these people are spending days on trolleys which is incorrect. That is also the aim of our Provo friend here. Yes the government is shambolic, yes there are too many on trolleys but if the people from nurses to consultants to admin staff weren't so highly paid there would be more money for beds. Also we should insist people see a doctor before admission to hospital and people should pay for A&E where they have not been pre-approved by a doctor or health professional.

[mr_anderson]

I'd also like to know how many are there because of their own lifestyle choices - i.e. eating too much, drinking too much, smoking too much and/or not excercising enough.

[Clanrickard]

I'd also like to know how many are there because of their own lifestyle choices - i.e. eating too much, drinking too much, smoking too much and/or not excercising enough.

Precisely. People in Ireland feel they can live like a Roman Emperor and then demand everyone else pick up the tab.

[pjoz]

One person spending the lenght of time you talk about is one to many. Knowing a number of nurses and knowing what their job entails and the level of pay they receive for doing that job I couldnt agree that they are overpaid. I know if I was given multiples of what they get I couldnt provide the services they do for people. Not knowing any consultant I couldnt comment but on admin staff I wouldnt agree that pay rates are to high but I would say that far to many are employed by the HSE.Mr Anderson your argument has got very little to do with numbers on trolleys in A & E,all it does is further highlight the underfunding of services in other areas of the health service

[pjoz]

Thursday 11th - 271

[mr_anderson]

One person spending the lenght of time you talk about is one to many. Knowing a number of nurses and knowing what their job entails and the level of pay they receive for doing that job I couldnt agree that they are overpaid. I know if I was given multiples of what they get I couldnt provide the services they do for people. Not knowing any consultant I couldnt comment but on admin staff I wouldnt agree that pay rates are to high but I would say that far to many are employed by the HSE. Mr Anderson your argument has got very little to do with numbers on trolleys in A & E,all it does is further highlight the underfunding of services in other areas of the health service

I disagree.
How many people are rushed into A&E because of accidents when drunk ?
How many are there because of heart attacks and strokes caused by smoking, eating crap and not excercising ?

The problem is not the funding, it is that the general population get sick more than they should due to their own stupidity, thus clogging up services such as A&E to the point that trolloys have to be employed in the way they are.

France doesn't have better services than ourselves, they have healthier and more responsible citizens, consequently their health services aren't overburdened.

[pjoz]

Friday 12th - 237

[pjoz]

Mr Anderson I accept you make valid points about Irish lifestyle choices.The problem is funding and how it is deployed. I would argue that preventitive measures would produce far more favourable outcomes and in the long run prove more cost effective.However as that is unlikely to become a major policy initiative the reality of Irish A & E depts needs to be faced and the resources employed address the problems.Ignoring the issue wont make it go away

[pjoz]

Monday 15th - 254

[pjoz]

Tuesday 16th - 320