It really was devestating. I nearly didn't watch it because I thought there would be nothing new in it. But I couldn't stop watching it, getting angrier and angrier.Originally Posted by rover
It sickened me that this is the health service of the so-called Celtic Tiger.
Little health. Damn all service.
Nill illigitimi carborundum - don't let the b*stards get you down.
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Won't make any difference to the election. People have lost faith in the ability of the political system to resolve health service issues.
The only way to change the world is to win elections.
It was a sickening show that should cause us to feel shame. However, it has little to do with the Celtic Tiger and more to do with how the resoures generated by the Celtic Tiger have been misused. It seems to be more about successive governments failure to tackle the vested interests that prevent a rational delivery of services. The idea that a consultant effecitvely receives a subsidy from the public system to allow him/her to conduct private business is typically Irish. This is a peverse incentive that directly leads to longer waiting times for public patients. I think it is time to remind consultants, doctors and nurses that they are employees and that the system is not run primarily for their benefit.
The political establishment lacks both vision and courage.
Don't you just love the way Mary Harney and PD supporters behave as if they weren't in Government for nearly ten years when it comes to the Health Service and that they only became aware of how bad it was since Mary took over from those two incompetent FFers Cowen and Martin and how we can't expect her to sort out their mess in such a brief period. Mary did you never hear of collective cabinet responsibility, you're just as responsible for the present dire situation in Health as those other two, whether you like it or not .
Who's going to say anything about nurses? They're looking for a 10% pay raise to do 10% less work, and every FF/FG politician the length and breadth of the country is calling on the Minister to look favorably on the Nurse's situation, because they know if they don't, people won't vote for them!!
And what stick to you use to beat up the consultants? Do you threaten not to pay them at all? Fine they'll say: we'll just do private practice.
The only way it will change is if people vote for change, but the electorate has never shown an interest in voting for change in the health service.
The only way to change the world is to win elections.
Oh do F**K off!Who's going to say anything about nurses? They're looking for a 10% pay raise to do 10% less work, and every FF/FG politician the length and breadth of the country is calling on the Minister to look favorably on the Nurse's situation, because they know if they don't, people won't vote for them!!
And what stick to you use to beat up the consultants? Do you threaten not to pay them at all? Fine they'll say: we'll just do private practice.
The only way it will change is if people vote for change, but the electorate has never shown an interest in voting for change in the health service.
The only nurses prepared to work for the pittance paid by the HSE are Philipino! All the Irish Nurses head for developed Countries as soon as they get their qualifications.
We have had massive increases in the amount of taxpayer's hard earned "invested" in Health - but we HAVE NOT had new Doctors trained, new Nurses trained, new Wards built, or new Operating Theatres built.
No, under the FFailures and the pDiddlys, we have seen a massive increase in the number of accountants and administrators in the Health Service (accounting for nearly all of the increase in Health spending over the last 10 years - except the bit for the Treatment Purchase Fund, which is, in reality, a taxpayer subsidy to the people who fund the PDs).
Remind me: What was it Bertie did before he became a politician .......
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte
http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job ... rse/Salary
38 grand seems ok.
http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Emp ... tal/Salary
The rest seem to be doing ok too. Of course, the rates go up with experience and overtime. The word "pittance" seems to be somewhat of an overstatement.
The political establishment lacks both vision and courage.
Jesus. Given that the average General Operative in Aer Lingus (hardly professional employment) is on €46,000, those salaries are an absolute disgrace.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
Further facts relating to the oppression of health sector workers:
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusiness ... 6397.shtml
Some of the more harrowing examples of their oppression:
"The education sector saw the biggest increase with pay costs rising by 65%. Health sector pay surged by 63% in the period, civil service salaries rose 48% and in the security sector they rose by 34.8%. "
"Public sector pay rose by 8% in 2005 and pensions now account for 10% of the total pay bill, up from 8.6% in 2001. The pensions bill has increased from €876m in 2001 to €1,588m in 2006 representing an 81.3% increase over the period. The increase in the health sector has been 104%. Pensioners also received the special benchmarking increase of an average of 9%. "
This is yet another example of how the cruel and evil capitalist machine oppresses health care workers. By tempting them with more money and pensions, it creates great psychological distress and confusion.
The political establishment lacks both vision and courage.
My I was in a tetchy mood before going to bed last night! Apologies for this line it was out of order.
Mea culpa.
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