Drumm: "treating less people in hospitals does not equate to cutbacks in services"

[hammer]

Less people treated in hospitals ? Does that not mean less income for hospital, which therefore means increased charges to VHI, Bupa, Aviva etc.........which means higher premiums, which means more people cancelling private healthcare which .................

[Ed Dantes]

FEWER people. People are individuals and come in numbers, not in amounts.

Drumm's ignorance - of grammar and the medical situation on the ground - is appalling.

[theghost]

What I would like to know is how they intend to cut emergency admissions to hospitals by 33,000 by 2012. Are they going to put a quota on how many heart attack/stroke/car accident victims a hospital can admit?

[charley]

people going into A&E for a few stitches that the local GP could easily do. its a two way streak the hospitals have to get their act together,but people need to be less eager to rush to A&E everytime they cut their finger.the privatisation of administration of hospitals is now a nesscessity ,the dead wood must be removed

[spidermom]

people going into A&E for a few stitches that the local GP could easily do. its a two way streak the hospitals have to get their act together,but people need to be less eager to rush to A&E everytime they cut their finger.the privatisation of administration of hospitals is now a nesscessity ,the dead wood must be removed

We would if we had a GP with an out of hours service...no surprise then when the busiest A+E in the country is situated in an area with no out of hours GP services.........SIGH!!!



"Tallaght Hospital’s A&E department is the busiest in the country. Altogether the department sees over 75,000 people each year which includes children as well as adults. It is because it sees both children and adults that it looks after significantly higher numbers of patients than other A&E departments around the country. The hospital is keen to tackle the challenge of managing waiting times in the A&E so that patients are seen as soon as possible. The hospital has reorganised they way it does things and changed its operational functions within the hospital"

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I suppose I could go to the nearest....NAAS!!!

[charley]

We would if we had a GP with an out of hours service...no surprise then when the busiest A+E in the country is situated in an area with no out of hours GP services.........SIGH!!!



"Tallaght Hospital’s A&E department is the busiest in the country. Altogether the department sees over 75,000 people each year which includes children as well as adults. It is because it sees both children and adults that it looks after significantly higher numbers of patients than other A&E departments around the country. The hospital is keen to tackle the challenge of managing waiting times in the A&E so that patients are seen as soon as possible. The hospital has reorganised they way it does things and changed its operational functions within the hospital"

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I suppose I could go to the nearest....NAAS!!!

i,m sorry we have an excellent out of hours service up here and i stupidly thought that the rest of the country had the same

[cyberianpan]

“A high hospital admission rate for some reason has in the past been considered a measure of performance – I would suggest it is exactly the opposite” he said.

“A high hospital admission rate is actually a measure of how ineffective a performance is”.

Medical advances, such as the greater use of laparoscopic surgery, can significantly lower hospital stay time, with some procedures day care

Certain older patients shouldn't stay so long in hospital either

Administrative efficiencies can lead to more of certain tests being day care procedures

Lower rates of hospital acquired infections.... lower total time spent in hospital

Etc... etc

The man speaks the truth... simple as.

cYp

[spidermom]

Medical advances, such as the greater use of laparoscopic surgery, can significantly lower hospital stay time, with some procedures day care

Certain older patients shouldn't stay so long in hospital either

Administrative efficiencies can lead to more of certain tests being day care procedures

Lower rates of hospital acquired infections.... lower total time spent in hospital

Etc... etc

The man speaks the truth... simple as.

cYp

Re older patients etc.....and hospital services being tackled in the community.....

30 PCTs have no GP involvement

[Foghorn]

Wrong - he was talking about moving medical treatment out into the community. Many GP surgeries are now equipped to handle stuff that previously required short-stay hospitalisation.

I agree that this is probably what he meant. Is there any source of information to allow investigation of how well GP surgeries are so equipped?

[Sync]

It's quite clear what he meant, and it's the right approach to be taking. The dribbling masses will always scream at the idea, but keeping people out of hospital should be the aim.

The problem as Foghorn alluded to is that it's a very Irish idea to start moving those people out before it's been verified that the local GP network is equipped to handle the increase.