Why do you think there hasn't been any cases of Polio in Ireland for years?Originally Posted by soubresauts
Which would I prefer then? Being vaccinated and getting imperfect immunity, or catching all those diseases, and if I survive with decent quality of life, perfect subsequent immunity? Um ... I think the first one.Big difference. Catching the disease gives 100% immunity, life-long. Vaccines give imperfect immunity and, in many cases, the effect wears off after a few years.
Merck?? Streptomycin was discovered by Albert Schatz, one of my heroes. You might note:Oh, I see.... So Big Pharma are actively creating disease through vaccinations, but the same Big Pharma (Merck, in this case) 'saved us' from TB through the development of Streptomycin....!!!!
About the normal childhood diseases in Ireland in the 1960s...Dr. Schatz' latest research concerns fluoridation. His findings show that fluoridation of drinking water in Chile markedly increased infant mortality and the overall death rate of the total population. His report has attracted worldwide interest because other countries, which have been adding fluoride to their drinking water, may also unknowingly have increased the death rates in certain susceptible segments of their populations.
You misread what I wrote. I presume you're not going to claim that the mortality rates for measles, etc., in the 1960s were other than negligible.Yes; if you read anything other than looper sites, you would realise that the mortality and serious morbidity rates were anything but negligible.
15 Jan 2001 -- Fine Gael pledged to end fluoridation because of "serious health concerns".
That's Catch-22, soubresauts. You think fluoride is incredibly dangerous, the WHO disagrees - ergo the WHO are "in on it". Anyone who credits the WHO are, in turn, dismissable sheep.
Cognitive dissonance.
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
Elimination of poverty, better buildings, clean water, sanitation, sewerage systems, and so on.
Well, I caught all those normal childhood diseases -- measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, scarlet fever, chickenpox -- and I gained lifelong immunity. I don't have any bad memories of them. Certainly my parents were not alarmed by them. It was just a normal part of childhood. A day or two in bed, a few days out of school. That's all.Which would I prefer then? Being vaccinated and getting imperfect immunity, or catching all those diseases, and if I survive with decent quality of life, perfect subsequent immunity? Um ... I think the first one.
15 Jan 2001 -- Fine Gael pledged to end fluoridation because of "serious health concerns".
Well, you're lucky you're not one of the 1 in a 1000 children that goes on to develop serious complications from measles, and you're lucky not to have been affected by rubella in the womb, and lucky you didn't get meningitis or encephalitis from mumps, and weren't miscarried as a result of your mother getting mumps, lucky you didn't suffer kidney, heart, or hearing damage from scarlet fever or one of the others...and so on.
Even if one swallows the 'statistics' trotted out on blogs, the recorded harm done by 'harmless' childhood diseases is far more serious than that done by vaccination - the anti-vaccinators apply different standards to the statistics of harm depending on whether it agrees with their views or not. Indeed, the entire history of harm from childhood diseases is being dismissed here on the basis of anecdotal and purely personal experience - "did me no harm, so it must be alright" - which is absolute grade-A unmitigated horsecock.
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Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
yeah i got measles, mumps, chickenpox, rubella - i had great parents and was well looked after - no big deal
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Looks like your hero sold out. Merck patented and marketed Strep. Do you know much about your hero?
Streptomycin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[SIZE="1"]Streptomycin was first isolated on October 19, 1943 by Albert Schatz, a graduate student, in the laboratory of Selman Abraham Waksman at Rutgers University.[5] Waksman and his laboratory discovered several antibiotics, including actinomycin, clavacin, streptothricin, streptomycin, grisein, neomycin, fradicin, candicidin and candidin. Of these, streptomycin and neomycin found extensive application in the treatment of numerous infectious diseases. Streptomycin was the first antibiotic that could be used to cure the disease tuberculosis; early production of the drug was dominated by Merck & Co. under George W. Merck.[/SIZE]
Schatz didn't sell out, at any stage. His professor, Waksman, got the glory and the Nobel Prize for the discovery and Schatz let that go until he discovered that Waksman was profiting as "the discoverer" of the antibiotic. Schatz then went public on just who did the donkeywork. The Wikipedia page says he eventually got his share of the royalties.
Quite a bit. I particularly admire this paper.Do you know much about your hero?
Of course Schatz's opposition to fluoridation meant he drew the wrath of the medical establishment and he had very limited opportunities later in his career.
Some years ago he agreed to travel to Ireland, at the request of John Gormley, to address the Oireachtas Health Committee about fluoridation. At the last minute his doctor advised him not to travel; he was about 80 then.
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15 Jan 2001 -- Fine Gael pledged to end fluoridation because of "serious health concerns".
In any case, can you rationalise your assertion of how Streptomycin, patented, produced and ,marketed by Big Pharma, 'saved us' from TB, but the same Big Pharma is now creating vaccines for TB (and other diseases) which actively cause disease in children, so that they can further develop drugs and boost profits?
True. My son had a serious complication from Scarlet Fever - an infection that took a massive dose of antibiotics to cure. I remember, the pharmacist couldn't believe the scale of the dose and had to check with the head of A&E who had prescribed it. Thankfully, due to the MMR, he hasn't caught measles, mumps or rubella.
But, that's just one anecdote, to counter Soubresaut's. At the end of the day, what matters here, is who do you trust - the scientific and medical consensus or random individuals, who you know nothing about, or what qualifications they have?
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