Pay low quality people not to have kids

[irish_bob]

I can't remember, but I do remember Mary Hanafin (when she was Minister for education) saying on radio: "We are are giving everything top priority".

gems like that can only stem from fianna fail

[Barry]

How about you pay for their dole then through your taxes on your own, I dont want to pay for scumballs to breed.

And what makes you a non-scumball? - is there some objective yardstick we can use?

[femmefatale]

How about you pay for their dole then through your taxes on your own, I dont want to pay for scumballs to breed.

Nice! I would say that saying such a thing marks you out as a 'scumball', but that would be a most unpleasant thing to say.

[cactusflower]

The most foolish of the middle classes perhaps think that if they can sacrifice up enough of the vulnerable poor, they can in some way escape having their incomes severed and their homes taken off them.

Most of them wouldn't last a week as a kitchen porter or in a factory.

Time to toughen up and admit that your lives are going to change, and stop looking to blame the weakest people you can find to pick on.

[Telemachus]

The most foolish of the middle classes perhaps think that if they can sacrifice up enough of the vulnerable poor, they can in some way escape having their incomes severed and their homes taken off them.

Most of them wouldn't last a week as a kitchen porter or in a factory.

Time to toughen up and admit that your lives are going to change, and stop looking to blame the weakest people you can find to pick on.

You on the right thread?

[cyberianpan]

I don't think the law/government is there to encourage life decisions like never being able to have a child. However I can support it providing the means to enable decisions, even if the main reason is because one decision is better for the state than the other.

I would not object to a private charity being set up with the goals Cyberianpan suggested, though I wouldn't give to it.

If there was cheap, reversible sterilization, it may be a good form of contraception to provide.

The State currently facilitates people having children in that it pays extra dole, children's allowance, housing, health, education etc for them

This proposal is simply giving people the converse option:

Option 1: go have children and the State will pay for them
Option 2: be sterilized and the State will pay you for that

cYp

[cactusflower]

This is already in operation for the middle classes in the US where some women can only get health insurance if they have their tubes tied.

This thread is sickening.

[cyberianpan]

Also I'd point out again that the State already has very stringent standards regards adoption

So these could be used to define "low quality"

Also though perhaps on grounds of universal rights this money should be available to anyone , however based on the rights of the future children not to be born into misery we could justify the payment to only low quality people

cYp

[Fusilier]

This is already in operation for the middle classes in the US where some women can only get health insurance if they have their tubes tied.

This thread is sickening.

Do you have links supporting that? Not challenging it, more curious to actually see it.

[liamfoley]

What Ireland need's is a quango with a huge staff to research this issue and an organization with executive power to implement it. 4bn € per anum should do the job.