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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahj View Post
    I'm not dead yet.
    Regardless, I'll continue to hope...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief-TP View Post
    True! But that wont stop them administering it, the swine flu vaccine currently on its way was patented in 2008 before the outbreak by baxter, that says a hell of a lot about whats going on. I posted links earlier to proof and a case thats currently being investigated regarding this, have a look if ya get the chance..
    Are you suggesting that the swine flu was created by man?
    If so please elaborate and provide some evidence or proof.

    Baxters patenting of a new method of vaccine manufacture in 2008 does not provide evidence. New methods of vaccine production have been discussed for several years now as a means of providing vaccine in a shorter time frame than conventional methods mainly (eggs) which would protect against H5N1.

    This whole topic seems to be a magnet for conspiracy theorists usually with little or no knowledge of the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birthday View Post
    Are you suggesting that the swine flu was created by man?
    If so please elaborate and provide some evidence or proof.

    Baxters patenting of a new method of vaccine manufacture in 2008 does not provide evidence. New methods of vaccine production have been discussed for several years now as a means of providing vaccine in a shorter time frame than conventional methods mainly (eggs) which would protect against H5N1.

    This whole topic seems to be a magnet for conspiracy theorists usually with little or no knowledge of the topic.
    Aside from that...

    http://www.politics.ie/health-social...ml#post2075624

    And yes, scientists say it was near impossible for this strain to have occured naturally.

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    No ones forcing me to jack sht.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeupcall View Post
    Aside from that...

    http://www.politics.ie/health-social...ml#post2075624

    And yes, scientists say it was near impossible for this strain to have occured naturally.
    It is entirely possible for the strain to have occured naturally. Please find me a single molecular virologist who will say otherwise!

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    Guys the 1947 Health Act established the health structure for the island. It deals with everything from expenses to registration to, yes, pandemic actions. It's far more likely that the "HSE Source" was asked "Do you think new legislation is required" and answered "No I think we have enough in the 1947 act". The Mirror then went for the most insanely sensationalist viewpoint possible.

    It's the Mirror for God's sake, they've got "Subo goes to Disney" as a lead story on their webpage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birthday View Post
    It is entirely possible for the strain to have occured naturally. Please find me a single molecular virologist who will say otherwise!
    Apparently (according to geneticist friend of mine whose information I have not validated) it is genetically related to the 1918(?) great flu outbreak during great war.

    Can anyone else validate that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeupcall View Post
    Vaccines which have been approved by the responsible government authorities for vaccination against the alleged H1N1 Influenza A Swine Flu have been found to contain nano particles. Vaccine makers have been experimenting with nanoparticles as a way to “turbo charge” vaccines for several years. Now it has come out that the vaccines approved for use in Germany and other European countries contain nanoparticles in a form that reportedly attacks healthy cells and can be deadly.

    In 2007 researchers at the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL) announced in an article in the journal, Nature Biotechnology, that they had developed a “nanoparticle that can deliver vaccines more effectively, with fewer side effects, and at a fraction of the cost of current vaccine technologies.” The article went on to describe the effects of their breakthrough: “At a mere 25 nanometers, these particles are so tiny that once injected, they flow through the skin’s extracellular matrix, making a beeline to the lymph nodes. Within minutes, they’ve reached a concentration of DCs thousands of times greater than in the skin. The immune response can then be extremely strong and effective.” 1

    There is only one small problem with vaccines containing nanoparticles—they can be deadly and at the least cause severe irreparable health damage.

    Nanoparticles, promoted in the mass media as the new wonder revolution of science, are particles that have been produced vastly smaller than deadly asbestos particles which caused severe lung damage and death before being outlawed. Particles at a nano size, (nm = 0,000000001 Meter) fuse together with the membranes of our body cell membranes and, according to recent studies in China and Japan, continuously destroy cells once introduced into the body. Once they interact with the body’s cellular structure, they cannot be removed. Modern medicine euphemistically terms the phenomenon, a continuing infectious reaction.

    Since the asbestos scandal, it has been established that particles in size a millionth of a meter, because of their enormous attractive force, penetrate all cells, destroying all those they come into contact with. Nanoparticles are far smaller than asbestos fibers.

    Beijing Tests confirm deadly effects on humans

    The fact that WHO, the European Medicines Evaluation Agency, the German Robert Koch Institute and other health bodies today would permit the population to be injected with largely untested novel vaccines containing nanoparticles says more about the powerful pharma lobby in Euiropean politics than it does about the sanity or moral integrity of the civil servants responsible for health of the general public.

    The September 2009 issue of the respected European Respiratory Journal, made public on 19 August, and available since 21 August online, contains a peer-reviewed article with the title, “Exposure to nanoparticles is related to pleural effusion, pulmonary fibrosis and granuloma.”

    The article describes tests carried out in 2008 at the elite Beijing Chaoyang Hospital on seven young women. All seven, ages 18-47 had been exposed to nanoparticles for 5–13 months in their common workplace. All were admitted to the hospital with shortness of breath and pleural effusions, or excessive fluids surrounding the lungs, inhibiting breathing. None of the seven had ever smoked and none were in any special risk group. Doctors carefully tested for every possibility and confirmed that the lung problems had a common origin—regular inhalation of nanoparticles in their factory. They had been exposed to Polyacrylat nanoparticles.

    The tests confirmed the nanoparticles had set off a “super-meltdown” reaction in the patients. Despite all heroic efforts of doctors, two of the seven died from the lung complications. 2

    In their report, the scientists concluded something so alarming it is necessary to quote at length:



    To date Animal studies and in vitro experiments show that nanoparticles can result in lung damage and other toxicity in animals, but no reports on the clinical toxicity in humans due to nanoparticles prior to the Beijing study had been made.

    The Beijing Chaoyang Hospital study has now conclusively confirmed that nanoparticles cause lung damage and other toxicity in humans as well. At this point in time, when two of the approved vaccines planned to be mass distributed in Germany and elsewhere contain nanoparticles, failure of the relevant responsible public health and epidemiology officials to order an immediate emergency freeze on distribution of any vaccine containing nanoparticles can only be considered tantamount to criminal negligence. Hopefully the responsible authorities will react in time to avert a possible human health catastrophe orders of magnitude worse than the worst case of Swine Flu reported to date.

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    1 EPFL, Bioengineering researchers from the EPFL in Lausanne, Switzerland, have developed and patented a nanoparticle that can deliver vaccines more effectively, with fewer side effects, and at a fraction of the cost of current vaccine technologies, accessed in Nanotoxicology | News, Research.

    2 Song Y, Li X, Du X, Exposure to nanoparticles is related to pleural effusion, pulmonary fibrosis and granuloma , European Respiratory Journal, 9/2009, 34(3): 559-567.

    3 Ibid.

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    Certainly major caution should be applied with new vaccines and regulatory authorities have a crucial role in this area. Do you know if the HSE flu vaccine is based on this technology? Or is it just using animal cell lines to produce vaccine more quickly?
    For what its worth the wingnut antidote to flu Colloidal Silver is also based on nanothechnology although most of them hardly realise this!!! The particles of silver in these preparation (which have no proven antiviral activity in humans) are in the 1-10 nm range. Will there be a big scare about this from the wingnuts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cHeal View Post
    Regardless, I'll continue to hope...

    You are nasty.

    There's no getting rid of me cHeal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahj View Post
    Apparently (according to geneticist friend of mine whose information I have not validated) it is genetically related to the 1918(?) great flu outbreak during great war.

    Can anyone else validate that?
    I have read something similar recently. My last research in this area is afew years old but my memory is that the full viral RNA sequence of the 1918 strain had not been located. There were attempts to dig up Eskimos in Alaska who had died from this. Also there were attempts in Spitsbergen to locate human remains in permafrost. In summary, the conclusion was that the 1918 flu may have also involved a similar jump from strains normally resident in pigs.
    Was this a human attempt (say a last ditch effort by the Kaiser to win the war?) Joke!
    It is always possible that old preserved strains of flu stored in laboratories could accidentally (or deliberatley) be released into human population with little resistance risking pandemic. This however is different from concluding that the presence of RNA in latest H1N1 (Mexico) from bird, human or swine strains in some way is proof that it was man made as is being suggested by some.

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