GET FLU JAB - OR BE JAILED: Irish Newspaper Report

[Chief-TP]

If you read the entire post especially the part regarding contact time and D-values you would have seen that it would be a waste of time.

The flue virus is caught in two ways.

Airborne, and by contact (ie contaminated surfaces and hands).

Putting microscopic dabs of silver around your nose and mouth will not sanatise the air you are inhaling.

Even if you coated the inside of your nostrils with silver it would not sanitize the air you inhale because.

a) It will not make contact with all the air you are inhaling.
and
b) because contact time will be measured in fractions of a second so it have no effectiveness.

But why silver ??

There are many antiseptic creams available that are excellent biocides and are much cheaper ? Not that they woudl be any more effective.

Why not just wear a surgical mask ?

The most effective way to prevent catching H1N1 is to wash your hands regularly and keep surfaces clean.

DO NOT go mad around the home using disinfectant sprays etc as their is alto of evidence emerging that this does significant long term harm. Living in a sterile environment actually damages your immune system and evidence suggests it is responsible for allot of allergies we are now seeing including some cases of asthma.

Magic sparkey, thanks for taking the time to reply in depth i appreciate it. That sounds interesting and also clears up it's uses and what might be the best way to avoid contamination, ( i hate to ask after all you have put up, but cld you stick in a link to a source pls, ya know the way they are around here! ) Thanks again.

[sparkey321]

Magic sparkey, thanks for taking the time to reply in depth i appreciate it. That sounds interesting and also clears up it's uses and what might be the best way to avoid contamination, ( i hate to ask after all you have put up, but cld you stick in a link to a source pls, ya know the way they are around here! ) Thanks again.

A source to what ?

The fact that a defined contact time is necessary ? That's basic science, covered in leaving cert biology.

D-Value's for silver. I am afraid they are taken from peer reviewed journals such as the Journal of Hospital Infection or "Infection Control and Hospital Epidemiology" which are all copyrighted and require subs or membership to access on-line.

However I am sure that others can verify the figures.

There are many uses for silver in medicine, silver impregnated catheters have shown useful benefits ut the catheter is in lace for extended periods to achieves adequate contact time. Silver or silver plated surfaces are excellent at limiting the bio-burden buildup but there are issues with tarnishing.

Its a fascinating field but it is full of quack science and poor research all designed to make people money.

If you accept and understand the fact that actual physical contact time is required then it becomes pretty obvious that putting microscopic amounts of silver on your nose or month is not going to be really effective.

There are methods for using silver for air sanitization using ionisation but that's a separate issue. The benefits of silver are not in question but some of the applications currently being pushed are.

[Chief-TP]

A source to what ?

The fact that a defined contact time is necessary ? That's basic science, covered in leaving cert biology.

D-Value's for silver. I am afraid they are taken from peer reviewed journals such as the Journal of Hospital Infection or "Infection Control and Hospital Epidemiology" which are all copyrighted and require subs or membership to access on-line.

However I am sure that others can verify the figures.

There are many uses for silver in medicine, silver impregnated catheters have shown useful benefits ut the catheter is in lace for extended periods to achieves adequate contact time. Silver or silver plated surfaces are excellent at limiting the bio-burden buildup but there are issues with tarnishing.

Its a fascinating field but it is full of quack science and poor research all designed to make people money.

If you accept and understand the fact that actual physical contact time is required then it becomes pretty obvious that putting microscopic amounts of silver on your nose or month is not going to be really effective.

There are methods for using silver for air sanitization using ionisation but that's a separate issue. The benefits of silver are not in question but some of the applications currently being pushed are.

Great stuff and thanks, done biology in school also so the basics i understand, what i don't understand is as you said the fact that their are'nt many reports on the issue, which i suggest as i think you do that further in depth research would not go astray on the positives of silver with regard to medicines and disease prevention!

[sparkey321]

what i don't understand is as you said the fact that their are'nt many reports on the issue, which i suggest as i think you do that further in depth research would not go astray on the positives of silver with regard to medicines and disease prevention!

No what I said was that there was a lot of puff science (or quackery) available. Also a number of miss quoted studies.

There are a small number of per reviewed reputable studies looking at the subject.

As I said the efficacy of silver is not in question.

What is in question is the benefit of dabbing microscopic particles of silver around your nose an mouth.

Well any one who has a basic understanding of how biocides (which is what silver is) actually works would say there is no question. Its rubbish........

On the other hand eating plenty of fruit and veg does have benefit. it may not stop you catching the flu but it is good for you in general.

[Altruist]

Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! have referenced this thread in an article today :

Nurses Plan Rally To Protest Mandatory Swine Flu Shot

The fact that health professionals, and even employees loosely affiliated with hospitals, are being intimidated into taking the shot, proves President Obama’s claim that the vaccine will be voluntary to be deceptive and misleading. At the very least people’s livelihoods are on the line if they refuse to be injected and elsewhere, in countries such as Ireland and Greece, authorities have threatened large fines and jail time for people who refuse the vaccine.

[rhonda15]

Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! have referenced this thread in an article today :

Nurses Plan Rally To Protest Mandatory Swine Flu Shot

These health care professionals are the front line in making sure everyones right to not be forcibly injected with vaccines is protected. They need to be supported every step of the way.
Does anyone in this country have any clear indication from the government what their policy is with regard to medical professionals and the swine flu shot?

[Altruist]

Does anyone in this country have any clear indication from the government what their policy is with regard to medical professionals and the swine flu shot?

Not sure. Let's find out though. I'll ring the HSE tomorrow.

[Altruist]

Not sure. Let's find out though. I'll ring the HSE tomorrow.

Alritey, I spoke with HSE press office and they don't have the article in question in their records. I'm going to try the Star directly and query where Keith Falkiner obtained his sources.

[Altruist]

Just spoke directly with Keith Falkner, very nice guy by the way. Apparently everything he's claimed can be found in the 1947 document and the claim that mandatory programs are being considered came from Leinster house.

I think mandatory vaccinations are probable under certain scenarios.

[rhonda15]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXSB2oca7f8&feature="]YouTube - 9/22/09 Judge Napolitano on Forced Vaccinations in Massachusetts[/ame]

will be interesting to see how they can possibly enforce such an unpopular law