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    You are entitled to your opinion mate. What I'm saying here is based not on my opinion but on the documented facts, lots of. I would really urge you to look into it cos it will save your life and the life of your loved ones. just read the link i just posted there a minute ago, its a brief summary. As I say, lets hope its a ll a big misunderstanding. Buts lets decide whether it is or not by investigating it rather than just hoping!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul369 View Post
    Birthday there is very solid evidence to prove that this H1N1 virus was made in a lab. I'll post some excerpts from Jane Burgermeisters evidence document here. Its a compilation of evidence, from microbiologists and scientists, referenced. This does sound conspiratorial but have a read. and after have a read of the whole document, its available at The Jane Burgermeister website - investigating the swine flu*****pandemic

    The virus now known as H1N1 ‘swine flu’ appears to be an exact genetic match of the 1918 ‘Spanish flu’ virus, re-engineered from corpses dug out of the Alaskan permafrost by Jeffery Taubenburger in a continuation of the work of Johan Hultin. In a series of papers the team published the complete genome of the 1918 influenza virus, work funded by the US Veteran's Administration and the US Department of Defense. The completion of the genome in 2005 was numbered among the “breakthroughs of the year” by Science and was elected as "paper of the year" by Lancet.

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    The history of the synthetic H1N1 flu virus and a not-so-rosy future
    By Wayne Madsen
    Online Journal Contributing Writer
    May 21, 2009, 00:20
    WAYNE MADSEN REPORT - Wayne Madsen Report
    (WMR) -- The history of the extraction of the genetic material from the corpses of victims of the 1918 Spanish influenza virus who were buried in Arctic permafrost is part “X-Files” and part “Jurassic Park.”

    After an unsuccessful 1951 mission, that involved U.S. biological warfare specialists, to extract 1918 Spanish flu genetic material in 1951 from a cemetery in the Inupiat Eskimo village of Brevig Mission, Alaska, scientists made another attempt, a successful one it turns out, in 1997.

    Dr True Ott has reported that the published definition of the swine flu by the NCSL is identical to Jeffrey Taubenbergers 1997 initial findings concerning the 1918 killer virus which he successfully resurrected 6 years later.
    It easiest to explain this highly improbable match between the two viruses by assuming the "swine flu“ virus was deliberately, and systematically engineered to resemble the 1918 Spanish killer flu virus.
    Dr Ott explains that Taubenberger’s initial 1997 report identified the 1918 killer virus as a “novel” (new) swine flu that “recombined” avian (H5N1) as well as human (H3N2) virus fragments in its RNA structure.

    Taubenberger, so Dr Ott argues as he reconstructs the events, then used a complex computer program to perfectly match the RNA and DNA structures, in order to replicate and “resurrect” the 1918 killer Spanish flu virus as a powerful biological weapon.

    “SWINE FLU 2009” IS WEAPONIZED 1918 “SPANISH FLU”
    By A. True Ott, PhD, ND

    “The "Spanish" influenza pandemic killed at least 20 million people in 1918-1919, making it the worst infectious pandemic in history.
    *Understanding the origins of the 1918 virus and the basis for its exceptional virulence may aid in the prediction of future influenza pandemics.* RNA from a victim of the 1918 pandemic was isolated from a formalin-fixed, paraffin-embedded, lung tissue sample. Nine fragments of viral RNA were sequenced from the coding regions of hemagglutinin, neuraminidase, nucleoprotein, matrix protein 1, and matrix protein. The sequences are consistent with a novel H1N1 influenza A virus that belongs to the
    subgroup of strains that infect humans and swine, not the avian subgroup.”

    SOURCE: Science Magazine Report, 21 March 1997, Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger et. al. See

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...t/275/5307/179

    Taubenberger’s initial report identified the 1918 killer virus as a “novel” (new) swine flu that “recombined” avian (H5N1) as well as human (H3N2) virus fragments in its RNA structure.
    Taubenberger used a complex computer program to perfectly match the
    RNA and DNA structures, and then successfully replicated and
    “resurrected” the 1918 killer flu as a powerful biological weapon in 2003, 6 years later. Now, indeed as Taubenberger foresaw in 1997, evil and conspiring men in positions of high power can not only PREDICT FUTURE INFLUENZA PANDEMICS, but they can also UNLEASH THEMAT WILL from laboratory test tubes in order to achieve socio-economic agendas.
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    This is just a snippet. There is solid proof of extremely sinister deeds underway, which affect all of us and which are now almost on top of us.
    I am sorry to say but when I looked up the A True Ott guy I could find nothing in any peer reviewed journal from someone by that name about flu in the last five years. The only Ott I found was someone who published something about nose picking and Staph. aureus, I kid you not!

    Taubenberger is an established US scientist and nothing that I have seen of his supports the conspiracy theory. His papers are low key scientific work published in established and reputable journals. I found no mention of 'evil' 'conspiring' 'unleashing' or any such word in any of his peer reviewed stuff but maybe he has another side to him and a weekend job.
    Finally a title such as 'sciencemag.org' (DEAD link) would not instill a lot of confidence in me if I was researching this topic, no more than the Sunday Star, the Sunday World or the Sunday Independent for that matter. Indeed it is not that long since the Sindo contained an article claiming that HIV did not cause AIDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul369 View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion mate. What I'm saying here is based not on my opinion but on the documented facts, lots of. I would really urge you to look into it cos it will save your life and the life of your loved ones. just read the link i just posted there a minute ago, its a brief summary. As I say, lets hope its a ll a big misunderstanding. Buts lets decide whether it is or not by investigating it rather than just hoping!
    Better to be informed and aware rather than to put your family and one's self at risk. Check through the posts Paul369 and Chief-Tp have all the information on their posts. As was posted let's hope it's all wrong but it looks very unlikely it was an accident!
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    Look gentlemen-we are not going to agree on this.
    Nothing I have seen in these links in any way leads me to change my opinions.
    Bugermester stuff is so unconvincing-but that is just me.
    On the H5N1 shipping 'error' or 'accident'-this seems worrying I would agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by birthday View Post
    Look gentlemen-we are not going to agree on this.
    Nothing I have seen in these links in any way leads me to change my opinions.
    Bugermester stuff is so unconvincing-but that is just me.
    On the H5N1 shipping 'error' or 'accident'-this seems worrying I would agree.
    Fair enough agree to differ!
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    1918 Flu and Responsible Science -- Sharp 310 (5745): 17 -- Science

    Link discussing the publishing of the sequence for the 1918 flu by Taubenberger. Its not a question he did this its widely known.
    that bit about unleashing a virus was not part of the quote from Taubenberger that was a comment in Janes doc!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief-TP View Post
    Fair enough agree to differ!
    yip!
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    can't see how they'd implement it tbh

    What are they gonna do? Set up ro******************************************s and ask people for documentation that proves they've had the swine flu shot?
    Think about it the logistics would be crazy - we're not known for Nazi-style efficient organisation

    what paper is this article from? A red-top? when it's in the Indo and on the RTE news i'll get worried

    otherwise it sounds like this paper is shamelessly tapping into the paranoia they know is out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by justcallmetex View Post
    Wow! I've never been to jail before. Things to do before your 40.
    Neither have I. This will be one of the things I achieve before I'm 60 if they bring in compulsory vaccination for swine flu. I'd like to know what the death rate from swine flu is worldwide compared to the death rate from normal flu. From speaking to people who have had swine flu it's no worse than the normal strain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief-TP View Post
    Thanks, you have covered extensively the effects of it in the gut and i appreciate and thank you for that, Using dabs of it around the nose and mouth would be the method to use with regard to swine flu, im wondering can you shed some light on that method of use as a preventative measure?

    If you read the entire post especially the part regarding contact time and D-values you would have seen that it would be a waste of time.

    The flue virus is caught in two ways.

    Airborne, and by contact (ie contaminated surfaces and hands).

    Putting microscopic dabs of silver around your nose and mouth will not sanatise the air you are inhaling.

    Even if you coated the inside of your nostrils with silver it would not sanitize the air you inhale because.

    a) It will not make contact with all the air you are inhaling.
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    b) because contact time will be measured in fractions of a second so it have no effectiveness.

    But why silver ??

    There are many antiseptic creams available that are excellent biocides and are much cheaper ? Not that they woudl be any more effective.

    Why not just wear a surgical mask ?

    The most effective way to prevent catching H1N1 is to wash your hands regularly and keep surfaces clean.

    DO NOT go mad around the home using disinfectant sprays etc as their is alto of evidence emerging that this does significant long term harm. Living in a sterile environment actually damages your immune system and evidence suggests it is responsible for allot of allergies we are now seeing including some cases of asthma.
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