The Greens are a dead fish - contributing nothing, achieving nothing, slowly rotting

[Marascal]

Guys you keep starting these threads over and over and its getting boring. You've made all of these points before and thrown each and every one of the lazy insults at the greens in other threads already.

It seems to me that its very easy for you to sit back and criticise when you'll never have to make a decision yourself. If the greens do fall apart after the next election then it will be a loss to the country and will bring it back to the same old merry go round with FF and FG. Your glee at the prospect is very much misplaced.

Let me make this clear to you. It is the job of a political organisation to acquire political power and use that power for its own purposes, whatever those purposes may be. This is what the greens are doing. The fact that they're not a social club or a pressure group seems to offend people somehow.

[OceanFrog]

Guys you keep starting these threads over and over and its getting boring. You've made all of these points before and thrown each and every one of the lazy insults at the greens in other threads already.

It seems to me that its very easy for you to sit back and criticise when you'll never have to make a decision yourself. If the greens do fall apart after the next election then it will be a loss to the country and will bring it back to the same old merry go round with FF and FG. Your glee at the prospect is very much misplaced.

Let me make this clear to you. It is the job of a political organisation to acquire political power and use that power for its own purposes, whatever those purposes may be. This is what the greens are doing. The fact that they're not a social club or a pressure group seems to offend people somehow.

I think that is unfair comment.

This thread is about a blog post made about the Green Party ... I am not saying those things, Arthur Doohan (Green Party member) is. The blog entry was made only a few hours ago, and it provides further evidence of the mood within the Green party. It is definitely worthy of comment and discussion.

Do you have any opinions on what Arthur Doohan is saying?

[greengoose2]

It seems to me that its very easy for you to sit back and criticise when you'll never have to make a decision yourself. If the greens do fall apart after the next election then it will be a loss to the country and will bring it back to [COLOR="Red"]the same old merry go round with FF and FG.[/COLOR] Your glee at the prospect is very much misplaced.

Let me make this clear to you. It is the job of a political organisation to acquire political power and [COLOR="red"]use that power for its own purposes[/COLOR], whatever those purposes may be. This is what the greens are doing. The fact that they're not a social club or a pressure group seems to offend people somehow.

It is precisely what the Greens are propogating. They are propping up the FF part of the merry-go-round!

The oly power that the Greens are wielding is the power to keep FF in government. They are contributing to the ruination of the country!

[Aindriu]

Let me make this clear to you. It is the job of a political organisation to acquire political power and use that power for its own purposes, whatever those purposes may be. This is what the greens are doing. The fact that they're not a social club or a pressure group seems to offend people somehow.

I suspect that I am not the only one on here who finds the above statement obnoxious. IMHO It is the job of a political organisation to do the very best they can for their country and its citizens who elect them. They are PUBLIC SERVANTS.

[FakeViking]

The real legacy of the FF lite's period in power: more motorways, less public transport. They're simply propping up the second worst Govt this nation has ever had, utterly incapable of making decisions. Roll on the GE that must follow after Lisbon II is defeated.

[Marascal]

I think that is unfair comment.

This thread is about a blog post made about the Green Party ... I am not saying those things, Arthur Doohan (Green Party member) is. The blog entry was made only a few hours ago, and it provides further evidence of the mood within the Green party. It is definitely worthy of comment and discussion.

Do you have any opinions on what Arthur Doohan is saying?

Why bother? It's the same thread you've started multiple times using the UK Greens as a stating point. And as to discussion, take a good look at the contributions that followed. They were nothing more than borderline smears.

Tomorrow you will start a new thread on what someone thinks of the greens, then another and another...

It is precisely what the Greens are propogating. They are propping up the FF part of the merry-go-round!

The oly power that the Greens are wielding is the power to keep FF in government. They are contributing to the ruination of the country!

And what is your preferred alternative - FG and Labour? They seem to have had their arguments torn apart quite recently if I remember right. Listen, if the greens leave now they know they will have lost everything. They are staying in not, and let me repeat that, NOT for FF, cars, salaries or pensions or any of the other accusations that have come out on this forum but to get as much of their policy platform in place as they possibly can. They recognise that this is the only time that they will have that ability.

I suspect that I am not the only one on here who finds the above statement obnoxious. IMHO It is the job of a political organisation to do the very best they can for their country and its citizens who elect them. They are PUBLIC SERVANTS.

There is a difference between public representatives and a political organisation. Political change comes about because groups of people push their own agenda (whatever agenda that may be). I'm afraid you have misunderstood my comment here. The 'aim' or 'agenda' of improving the country fits into the definition I wrote. So if a political party has the aim of reducing unemployment (as a random example) that would be the purposes I talked about above.

[OceanFrog]

Why bother? It's the same thread you've started multiple times using the UK Greens as a stating point. And as to discussion, take a good look at the contributions that followed. They were nothing more than borderline smears.

You should get your facts straight.

This thread has nothing to do with the UK Greens. Arthur Doohan stood in the 2009 LE for, (and is a member of) the IRISH Green Party. Arthur Doohan is making comment on the IRISH Green Party. There is no mention of the UK Greens anywhere in his blog post.

Looks like your auto Green defense mechanism shot off little prematurely there. Maybe you should go back and read my OP carefully, and then feel free to come back and comment on the contents of Arthur's blog post.

[Marascal]

You should get your facts straight.

This thread has nothing to do with the UK Greens. Arthur Doohan stood in the 2009 LE for, (and is a member of) the IRISH Green Party. Arthur Doohan is making comment on the IRISH Green Party. There is no mention of the UK Greens anywhere in his blog post.

Looks like your auto Green defense mechanism shot off little prematurely there. Maybe you should go back and read my OP carefully, and then feel free to come back and comment on the contents of Arthur's blog post.

I know very well that Arthur Doolan is not a part of the UK Greens. My point was that you have started this very same thread several times already and it was those other times that the UK Greens were used for your strawman attacks. I note you avoided anwering on that particular point.

[OceanFrog]

I know very well that Arthur Doolan is not a part of the UK Greens. My point was that you have started this very same thread several times already and it was those other times that the UK Greens were used for your strawman attacks. I note you avoided anwering on that particular point.

I'm not going to fall for this typical Green tactic of derailing any thread thats even remotely critical of the Green party.

So, it's back to my OP. Do you have any comment on Arthur's blog post? I'll quote the entire thing for you again ...

"Given the complete abscence of the GP Parliamentary Party from the Joint Finance Committee hearing on NAMA, one is forced to conclude that the Greens are a dead ‘fish’ in Irish politics; present, visible, floating on the top but contributing nothing, achieving nothing, slowly rotting. I do hope John and Eamon managed to achieve a pretty arrangement of the ‘Green’ deckchairs that day, so that they have some happy memories of their useless time in Govt. At the first public debate on the topic of what is acknowledged by one and all as the biggest financial committment of the State ever and the determinant of our prosperity for the next 15 years, we had nothing to say. Previously, I have been sad or unhappy or dissapointed but have tried to work with the ‘grain’ of the PP’s program. As of now, I am disgusted and angry."

I am not saying any of this ... Arthur Doohan is, so I fail to see why you are personalising this thread and attacking me.

So lets get back OT. I think what Doohan is saying is interesting for a few reasons. Do you have any comment or opinion? If you do not have any comment/opinion I will assume you are trolling this thread and attempting to derail the discussion on the OP.

[Eorna]

I'm not going to fall for this typical Green tactic of derailing any thread thats even remotely critical of the Green party.

So, it's back to my OP. Do you have any comment on Arthur's blog post? I'll quote the entire thing for you again ...

"Given the complete abscence of the GP Parliamentary Party from the Joint Finance Committee hearing on NAMA, one is forced to conclude that the Greens are a dead ‘fish’ in Irish politics; present, visible, floating on the top but contributing nothing, achieving nothing, slowly rotting. I do hope John and Eamon managed to achieve a pretty arrangement of the ‘Green’ deckchairs that day, so that they have some happy memories of their useless time in Govt. At the first public debate on the topic of what is acknowledged by one and all as the biggest financial committment of the State ever and the determinant of our prosperity for the next 15 years, we had nothing to say. Previously, I have been sad or unhappy or dissapointed but have tried to work with the ‘grain’ of the PP’s program. As of now, I am disgusted and angry."

I am not saying any of this ... Arthur Doohan is, so I fail to see why you are personalising this thread and attacking me.

So lets get back OT. I think what Doohan is saying is interesting for a few reasons. Do you have any comment or opinion? If you do not have any comment/opinion I will assume you are trolling this thread and attempting to derail the discussion on the OP.

Don't mind Marascal, he would have been like Gormley and the rest of them a virulent critic of FF prior to going in to coalition. Now the TD's and here - SPN, Goosebump and the likes of him are the only passionate defenders of FF left. As Seamus brennan said, they were an easy lay. If your a slut you get screwed, you don't earn love or respect.