The Irish Green Party as seen by the UK Greens

[OceanFrog]

Derek Wall is a very prominent UK Green, and a guy I have a lot of respect for.

He recently wrote this about the Irish Green Party. Some of it is very telling.

From the article ...

"Here are my most recent thoughts on the Irish Green Party:

A calamitous coalition

The Irish Green Party has provided a textbook example of how not to do green politics. Who would have thought a Green Party would cut bus services and support motorway-building through a heritage site? Who would have believed that a Green government elected partly because of its opposition to the Iraq war would allow US war planes to refuel in Ireland at Shannon?

However, after the May 2007 general election, Sargent resigned as leader and 80 per cent of party members voted to join a Fianna Fail government in coalition. The results have been catastrophic.
In Mayo, local people believe that a gas pipeline and processing plant being built by Shell will create pollution and bring no benefit to the local community.
The Irish Green Party, which once strongly supported the Mayo protesters, has become silent since joining the government.
Worst of all from an environmental point of view, the government is building a motorway through Tara, perhaps Ireland's most important political landscape.

In June's elections, the party lost nearly all its councillors, failed to get any MEPs elected and was nearly beaten in Dublin by a former member Patricia McKenna, who had left in disgust.
The Green Party now looks likely to stay in government, even if Fianna Fail were to import nuclear weapons and declare war on Scotland or introduce pesticides into school milk. The Green MPs know that if they left government, there would be a general election and they would lose their seats and salaries.
It looks likely that the party will disappear for perhaps a generation.
This is tragic given the urgency of problems such as climate change. The damage done to Green politics internationally is too large to measure."


So Greens, you dismiss myself and others here for our criticism of you and the performance of the Green Party in Govt. You also dismiss last months LE results as the electorate not understanding the Greens because of lies told about your party by FF, FG and Labour (as claimed by a prominent Green on this site in the last few days).

Can you dismiss Derek Wall (a man who has more Green in his little finger than you rotten lot have in your collective bodies) so easily?

[DCon]

How many pieces of silver will each TD get? Will it be an even split?

[zeleneye]

Derek Wall is a very prominent UK Green, and a guy I have a lot of respect for.

He's also a good friend of Patricia McKenna if I'm not mistaken, so his stance is probably not completely that of a neutral bystander, that said...

There are some interesting points in his article. Obviously not the typical rubbish about the Greens being responsible for Tara, Shannon and Corrib (which he could have copied and pasted from any one of your threads), but in his outlook for the party, which is pretty gloomy, and the real damage that this will do to politics in Ireland (the land of tweedledum and tweedledee, ably supported by tweedledee light).

However, this is another Green party bashing thread started by you. Yet you seem to be offended when people suggest you might be a troll. You are a troll. If that is what makes you happy and helps you pass your day, fair enough, but if the cap fits...

[amblincork]

He's also a good friend of Patricia McKenna if I'm not mistaken, so his stance is probably not completely that of a neutral bystander, that said...

There are some interesting points in his article. Obviously not the typical rubbish about the Greens being responsible for Tara, Shannon and Corrib (which he could have copied and pasted from any one of your threads), but in his outlook for the party, which is pretty gloomy, and the real damage that this will do to politics in Ireland (the land of tweedledum and tweedledee, ably supported by tweedledee light).

However, this is another Green party bashing thread started by you. Yet you seem to be offended when people suggest you might be a troll. You are a troll. If that is what makes you happy and helps you pass your day, fair enough, but if the cap fits...

It was John Gormley who penned the BertiePlanet speech and the Greens were elected on the back of persistent and vociferous criticiasm of Beritie Ahern and the FF party.
The Greens cannot be as promiscous as they like in opposition as regards 'trolling' the other parties and then came across as all virtous and virginal when in power. Look at Gormleys trailing after Michael , PD's leader when he has launching the PDs poster at the last ge.
Gormley is the ultimate 'troll'.

The Greens dont understand how sick ordinary people are with their preaching from the high moral ground !

[OceanFrog]

He's also a good friend of Patricia McKenna if I'm not mistaken, so his stance is probably not completely that of a neutral bystander, that said...

There are some interesting points in his article. Obviously not the typical rubbish about the Greens being responsible for Tara, Shannon and Corrib (which he could have copied and pasted from any one of your threads), but in his outlook for the party, which is pretty gloomy, and the real damage that this will do to politics in Ireland (the land of tweedledum and tweedledee, ably supported by tweedledee light).

However, this is another Green party bashing thread started by you. Yet you seem to be offended when people suggest you might be a troll. You are a troll. If that is what makes you happy and helps you pass your day, fair enough, but if the cap fits...

Of course ... he MUST be biased because he's speaking against the Green party ... The poor Irish Green Party who are simply misunderstood because FF, FG and Labour are telling lies about them! Lol

zeleneye, lets get something straight here. You have no right to tell me what threads I can or cannot start here. I'll start any thread or make any comment I wish until instructed not to by the site owners and/or admins.

Until then stop cyber-stalking me around this site please.

Btw ... you seem to be confused as to the meaning of "troll". Here is a helpful definition. No need to thank me

[Aindriu]

Gormley is the ultimate 'troll'.

The Greens dont understand how sick ordinary people are with their preaching from the high moral ground !

Absolutely!

[OceanFrog]

Gormley is the ultimate 'troll'.

The Greens dont understand how sick ordinary people are with their preaching from the high moral ground !

Absolutely is right!

Well said.

[zeleneye]

Btw ... you seem to be confused as to the meaning of "troll". Here is a helpful definition. No need to thank me

Nope, not confused at all. That is exactly what you are.

I am not telling you what threads to start or not, I am just pointing out you are a troll. Its a free world and there is little or no moderation on p.ie, so you can start as many threads on the same topic as you want.

Just don't get so offended when people call you out for what you are.

[OceanFrog]

Just don't get so offended when people call you out for what you are.

The only thing I am offended by is your ignorance.

[OceanFrog]

There are some interesting points in his article.

I agree.

Especially the following ...

"The Green Party now looks likely to stay in government, even if Fianna Fail were to import nuclear weapons and declare war on Scotland or introduce pesticides into school milk".

"The Green MPs know that if they left government, there would be a general election and they would lose their seats and salaries."

"It looks likely that the party will disappear for perhaps a generation."

Some interesting points indeed!