Aer Lingus/Eircom/TSB/ACC/ICC privatisation, income tax rates cut from 48%% to 42% and 26% to 20%. Private hospitals etc. They have had a lot of influence since 1997 - especially in 1997-2002. Worldbystorm's point is valid. The Greens should bear that in mind. :wink:Originally Posted by Fnarr-Fnarr
Ha Ha. God, that brightened up my day.
Well now, in fairness, even if we put FTs very comprehensive list to one side, am I to take it that the charges I hear at leaders questions in the Dáil on a weekly basis from both the Greens, SF and others are entirely rhetorical and that the PDs have had no impact on the policies of the current government?Ha Ha. God, that brightened up my day.
That seems to me to be a considerable waste of time considering the limited opportunity TS has to make his case...
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Listing disastorous privitisations, and a recap of how tax rates have dropped because of (mainly) circumstances outside political control won't make my choice of GP vs PD any different!Aer Lingus/Eircom/TSB/ACC/ICC privatisation, income tax rates cut from 48%% to 42% and 26% to 20%. Private hospitals etc. They have had a lot of influence since 1997 - especially in 1997-2002. Worldbystorm's point is valid. The Greens should bear that in mind. :wink:Ha Ha. God, that brightened up my day.
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That's not FT's or my point. We're just noting the influence the smaller partner can have... The results are a different issue.Listing disastorous privitisations, and a recap of how tax rates have dropped because of (mainly) circumstances outside political control won't make my choice of GP vs PD any different!Aer Lingus/Eircom/TSB/ACC/ICC privatisation, income tax rates cut from 48%% to 42% and 26% to 20%. Private hospitals etc. They have had a lot of influence since 1997 - especially in 1997-2002. Worldbystorm's point is valid. The Greens should bear that in mind. :wink:Ha Ha. God, that brightened up my day.
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If the Greens were to advocate Coalition with FF and rule out the other crowd, they would do much better out of FF voters regarding transfers. Think on that. :wink:
Errr, didn't you read the MRBI poll last Thursday? At the height of public sympathy for Bertie Ahern, it still showed a virtual dead heat between FF and FG/Lab, with the PDs barely above the margin of error, and heading for virtual wipeout?
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Errr, didn't you read the MRBI poll last Thursday? At the height of public sympathy for Bertie Ahern, it still showed a virtual dead heat between FF and FG/Lab, with the PDs barely above the margin of error, and heading for virtual wipeout?[/quote:3c2ynrys]
No it showed a virtual dead-heat with FG/Lab/Greens, not FG/Lab.
That doesn't take much thinking about: in that scenario we'd obviously lose out on transfers from the other crowd, which are much more likely to come our way in any case. Worse, we would lose much more valuable first preference votes from the ABFF voters.
Worth breaking my "no sig" rule for:
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I’m with Trev. on this one. The Greens and FF would not mix well. Some of the Green ideas are good, but FF don’t need them in Government for those, they can just swipe the ideas, water them down to reality and implement them as FF policies.
The real problem would be the high moral tone, you just couldn’t listen to that for 5 years. I’d prefer opposition, as long the Greens were in Government.
[quote=FutureTaoiseach]No it showed a virtual dead-heat with FG/Lab/Greens, not FG/Lab.
Errr, didn't you read the MRBI poll last Thursday? At the height of public sympathy for Bertie Ahern, it still showed a virtual dead heat between FF and FG/Lab, with the PDs barely above the margin of error, and heading for virtual wipeout?
I suggest you take another look, FT. 26+11+7 = 44%. 39% = 39%.
That gives FG/Lab/Greens a 5-point lead over FF. But going back to what I said, 26% for FG in an MRBI poll means at least 28% on election day. Labour's 11% from that poll gives 39%, which equals FF's 39%. As we've established elsewhere, the PDs aren't relevant to the formation of blocs - as unlike Labour and the Greens, they're running in very few constituencies - and anyway we've established that they transfer better to FG/Lab than they do to FF anyway.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
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