This is the standard practice from this particular Green when faced with plausable answers to his/her questions.Originally Posted by OceanFrog
Curiousily this kind of tactic of pouring ridicule on your opponents is typical of fascist type organisations.
Looking at this list, I can only see one item which was the result of an EU directive: battery recycling.
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LOL!
You keep coming out with the most ridiculous criticisms of the Greens, criticisms that do not stand up to scrutiny when the partisan blinkers are taken off, and then you accuse the Greens of being fascist.
Would you ever get a grip?
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte
Nor do we want to learn the tricks of FF, FG and Labour.
If we are to solve the problems this Country faces we need to get away from the tweedledee, tweedledum and tweedledumber idiocy we have had for the last 40 years.
The Greens have been a disappointment?
There is much we would have done differently if the resources were available, but there isn't a whole lot that would have been different if Enda Kenny had become Taoiseach in 2007, and I can think of a number of key achievements that would not have been made if we were caught up in cabinet room rivalry between FG and Labour.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte
Be specific : ?
Well that we will never know...will we???
As for tweedle dee...tweedle dum...what about the tweedling about another senate seat??...thats typical tweedling!!!
Behind every great man is a woman rolling her eyes.
Jim Carrey.
Goosebump listed achievements of the Greens in Government (my comments in italics):
New building regulations -- Isn't this the minimum you'd expect in Europe 2007, with the Kyoto protocol and so on?
New planning laws -- Continuing as we were was not an option.
New drinking water regulations -- After all their talk about stopping fluoridation "immediately", the Greens did precisely nothing about it. How can they be believed about anything to do with water?
Local Government reform -- Will it matter?
New motor tax regime -- Does it matter?
Micro electricity generation -- Good, but still only what you'd expect given the admirable record of the ESB.
Smart meters -- Ditto.
Home insulation incentives -- Minimum you'd expect in Europe 2007, with the Kyoto protocol and so on.
End of electronic voting -- A no-brainer (and another example of Gormley backtracking).
Incineration levies -- But no ban on incinerators? Many communities still threatened.
Promotion of electric cars -- We'll be so poor we'll never have many electric cars.
etc etc etc -- Oh yes, of course. How could we forget?
* Banished nuclear power plans
* Stopped smoky coal in cities
* Stopped the Eastern Bypass motorway in Dublin
* Public transport and bike improvements
* Ban on plastic bags
* Forestry expansion
* National parks improvements
* Inhibited or halted many harmful proposals, such as GMOs, dirty industries
* Huge improvement in environmental awareness
Others can add to that list, I'm sure.
Prior to 2007, Greens and the broader Green movement were to the fore in various progressive movements, not least equality campaigning, the peace movement (including cross-border links, Ireland's neutral status, and the honourable opposition to the scandalous military use of Shannon)... The Irish Green Party has now, effectively, absented itself from most of the above. It has been an enormous shock to most of the members of the Green movement, many of whom lobbied and canvassed for GP election candidates.
The simple fact is that the Green Party has abandoned most of their own policies. The last two years have shown that the GP doesn't give a flying fig about those policies. The GP says nothing about them, does nothing about them.
GP policies on Agriculture, Alcohol, Animal Welfare, Arts & Culture, Budget, Carers, Children, Economy, Education, Forestry, Health, Hospitals and Funding, Immigration, Information Technology, Irish language policy, Justice, Marine, Marriage and Partnership Rights, Mental Health, National Development Plan, Older Persons, Pensions, Social Justice, Taxation, Transport, Waste, Water, Women, Youth -- twenty-five years of careful work by dedicated party members -- all effectively abandoned, ignored.
Meanwhile, Ireland's economic direction is coming not from Green policies but from the new smart economy taskforce -- the two Brians, their cronies, and the bosses of multinational corporations such as Intel, HP, Cisco, KPMG and Johnson & Johnson. Not a whimper from the Greens. Loyalty to the Government now comes before loyalty to Green principles, or even moral principles.
15 Jan 2001 -- Fine Gael pledged to end fluoridation because of "serious health concerns".
Curious you should mention that. I'm one of the people pushing the idea that the Greens should have a third Senate seat, and part of my argument is based on points you have made in the past.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte
Do you not think it would be a huge insult to the electorate to give another senate seat to the party they wiped out?
So it should go to a Fine Gael member?
But that would be to ignore the fact that FG were as complicit in the boIIoxology that got us into this mess as FF and Labour, whereas the Greens are the only Party with a plan for getting us out of this mess.
Do you want more of the same, or do you want change?
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte
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