Dan Boyle: "It does not .. matter which of the political parties are in government"

[greengoddess]

If we have an election in the morning and I vote FG, am I going to get FG policies, or am I going to get some watered down version that panders to the fantasy economics of the stickies?


People need to know how we are going to get out of the mess we are in.

Fine Gael are probably up to the job of getting us out of the mess we are in.

Labour, on the other hand will have two options. They can go in with FG on a platform of watering down FGs policy platform, or they can go in with FF as equals, or as masters (depending on the day), and then we're back to the early 1980s on acid.

SPN, if you go in to government in the morning, in the event of an election, it will be with whoever can implement your policies.
Just like before.
The Greens, NB, never said they would not go in with FF. Those posters who say otherwise are engaging, at best, in post hoc rationalisation.

[goosebump]

Give Gormley's "planet Bertie" speech and Trevor promise to "resign" rather than join FF it was a reasonable assumption for the electorate to make that the Greens would not join in coalition with FF.

Yeah, it really came out of left-field when John Gormley had a go at the sitting Government in his conference speech. Clearly, his his role as an Opposition TD, he should have be fulsome in his praise of the Taoiseach.

[Earnest]

Boyle lost his seat, he was not wanted ad was appointed to the Seanad for services rendered to Bertie. Does anyone want to deny these facts?

Dan Boyle was appointed to the Senate because he was chosen by the Green Party as one of the two senators. The agreement for government specified that the Green Party could choose two senators, who would be nominated to the Senate by the Taoiseach. Bertie Ahern happened to be the then leader of Fianna Fáil, and therefore he was Taoiseach.

[grassroots]

Yeah, it really came out of left-field when John Gormley had a go at the sitting Government in his conference speech. Clearly, his his role as an Opposition TD, he should have be fulsome in his praise of the Taoiseach.

So when he attacked FF croneyism in this passionate & well delivered speech was he telling the truth?

[cavok]

Dan Boyle was appointed to the Senate because he was chosen by the Green Party as one of the two senators. The agreement for government specified that the Green Party could choose two senators, who would be nominated to the Senate by the Taoiseach. Bertie Ahern happened to be the then leader of Fianna Fáil, and therefore he was Taoiseach.

You omitted the fact that he was REJECTED by the electorate as a TD

[anlkestony]

I got a negative rep for saying Boyle was rejected by the electorate and appointed to the Senate. (i also said he should be shot by the balls of his own sh**e). Thought neg rep was harsh

[Ultimate Independent]

At least i know FG will slash a few buddy infested quangos given half a chance.

Wrong! Fine Gael practically invented the quango. They have their own quango going on on Cork City Council and other councils around the country not to mention their COMMEEEEETIEEEEZZ! Free public money is all Fine Gael are interested in!

[Mar Tweedy]

SPN, if you go in to government in the morning, in the event of an election, it will be with whoever can implement your policies.
Just like before.
The Greens, NB, never said they would not go in with FF. Those posters who say otherwise are engaging, at best, in post hoc rationalisation.

Post hoc rationalisation? G'way with ye! Before the last election it would have seemed such a massive jump for the greens to make to 'get into bed' with FF that its fair to say that some green voters did vote for them on that basis. Voters who were voting for a rainbow government for example who were explicitly voting for change. This was a phenomenon.

I don't understand why Green supporters are so vocal with this 'it doesn't matter which party' nonsense and acting as if the idea of a rainbow government wasn't a significant factor in drawing down preferences in the last election. Whats behind the 'protesting' too much?

[Earnest]

You omitted the fact that he was REJECTED by the electorate as a TD

Like a great many other senators. If you want to amend the Constitution to say that no-one who has stood unsuccessfully in a Dáil election can be a senator, then say so.